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This Isn’t A Red-Hot Seller’s Market Or A Buyer’s Free-For-All, It’s A Transitional Season

A report from the Latin Times. “A growing number of immigrants in Florida are selling their homes due to mounting legal uncertainty, according to a Miami Herald report. Real estate broker Gisela Rojas, who operates in Orlando and Miami, told the Herald that she’s seeing an uptick in clients, mainly from Latin America, looking to sell quickly and leave the U.S.: ‘There are people leaving, calling me to put their house up for sale. ‘I’m going back, I can’t live here.’ Many are returning to Colombia, Mexico, or Venezuela, and some are exploring options in Europe. According to Rojas, many of these homeowners originally purchased property using FHA loans, which allow low down payments, and locked in lower mortgage rates. The rise in listings comes at a time when Florida’s market is shifting. Properties are sitting on the market longer and builders are offering significant incentives to buyers. Rojas cited a recent deal where a buyer received $38,000 in closing cost support on a $600,000 new home.”

“New federal and state immigration policies, including restrictions on FHA loans for non-permanent residents and increased deportation efforts, are further discouraging investment. ‘They’re stepping back and waiting to see how this plays out,’ said Peggy Olin, CEO of OneWorld Properties.”

From NBC News. “Dayna and Matt Fancher lost their home in Fort Myers Beach, Florida, to Hurricane Ian in 2022. One month into this year’s hurricane season, the couple is still paying their home insurance policy — now twice as costly — while fighting the firm in court over their claim. The Fanchers said their home insurance provider paid them only a third of what it would cost to rebuild their home, and that adjusters repeatedly disputed their storm damage claims. In the end, the Fanchers say, they took out construction loans to be able to move back into their home. ‘We have the same coverage that we had, we’re paying double, and we didn’t get the assistance that we needed,’ Matt Fancher said.”

“In Fort Myers Beach, a small town on narrow Estero Island off Fort Myers, annual premiums jumped from about $9,000 to almost $14,000 from 2019 to 2024, according to data obtained by First Street Foundation. According to Zillow data, home values in Fort Myers Beach are down about $200,000 from their pre-Ian prices, and about 86% of sales over the last year came in under list price, a general sign that sellers are having a difficult time offloading their properties. At its peak before Hurricane Ian, the average home value on Sanibel Island, a popular spot in Lee County for beach vacationers, was almost $1.3 million. Today, that value is $868,000, with 93% of all homes being sold under list price, according to Zillow.”

From Summit Daily. “Real estate markets across Colorado are experiencing a continuation of the growing inventory seen last month. While housing prices have remained stagnant for some, other markets on the Western Slope are seeing significant price drops. Inventory of active listings jumped to 33,287 across Colorado, up 22.6% from June 2024. The real estate market in Summit County faces a few challenges. Single-family homes are spending 75% more time on the market compared to last year. The average sales price for a single-family home dropped 16% compared to June 2024, meaning more sellers are ‘throwing in concessions to keep deals on track.’ ‘This isn’t a red-hot seller’s market or a buyer’s free-for-all, it’s a transitional season. The ground is soft, the path is shifting, and anyone stepping into the market should tread with awareness,’ Dana Cottrell, a Realtor with Summit Resort Group said in the July report.”

“For Eagle County, June is historically the seasonal kickoff season for home sales. Compared to June of last year, the inventory of active listings is up by 43% — the highest level in recent years. The county’s 8.6 months’ supply of homes is also the highest seen in recent years. Aspen saw a 25% increase in new single-family home listings between June 2024 and June 2025, according to data from the Aspen Glenwood Springs Board and Realtors MLS. More single-family homes have sold this year, whereas condos have seen a drop in sales, according to Mark Lewis, a real estate broker at Aspen Snowmass Sotheby’s International Realty. The original list price for the current inventory, before any list price reductions, is over $25 million on average. ‘This is interesting because average sale price for all Aspen single-family homes was just under $20 million in 2024 and has been closer to $16 million thus far in 2025 – there’s a disconnect between the number of listings above $20 million and the actual number of buyers at that price point,’ Lewis said.”

“‘I would say we’re moving into that buyer’s market right now,’ Grand County Board of Realtors Chairwoman Monica Anderson said. ‘I think there’s a lot of opportunities for any buyer that’s on the fence.’ For Grand County, the homes in limbo have driven median prices down by 13.4% compared to June 2024, which, according to Anderson, would normally be a driver for buyers. ‘Buyer activity has been pretty slow,’ Anderson said. ‘Usually the summer, especially after the fourth of July, is when we’re full throttle with showings and activity. (But) it’s been unseasonably slow this summer.'”

From LAist in California. “Recent immigration raids have stripped many Los Angeles families of their primary breadwinner. Other immigrant workers who have not been detained are also losing income as workplaces shut down to avoid becoming the next target for masked, armed federal agents. The economic fallout has made paying rent even more challenging for undocumented L.A. tenants. Local governments such as the city of L.A., Long Beach and L.A. County are asking philanthropists to fund cash assistance programs. Esmeralda, a Boyle Heights resident, told LAist the raids have caused her to lose work cleaning homes. She said even before the raids began, more than half of her income went straight to rent. Now, she said, her income has plummeted. ‘My children are afraid of me leaving the house,’ Esmeralda said, speaking in Spanish.”

“L.A. Mayor Karen Bass said last Friday that the city is also working to set up a cash aid program in response to the raids. She said philanthropic organizations would fund the program, which could provide ‘a couple hundred dollars’ to eligible families through prepaid debit cards. Bass said she has met with families who lost income after a worker was detained. She recalled meeting one mother who ‘now is concerned that she might face being evicted and being homeless’ because a family member was locked up by federal immigration authorities. When asked if the city has plans to contribute taxpayer funds toward the relief effort, Bass said: ‘I wish we had general fund money for that.’ Last month, Bass signed a budget that included hundreds of layoffs and other service cuts to close a nearly $1 billion dollar revenue shortfall.”

From Blog TO in Canada. “With the Toronto area real estate market in pretty acute turmoil, this may be the best chance for entry-level buyers to land a rare (though relative) bargain on a piece of the region’s famously overpriced property. Local real estate agency Wahi has offered some insight, examining how prices around the city have changed since the most recent market high in 2022. Huttonville, Brampton: average price of $825,000 in 2025 vs. $1,760,000 in 2022 — difference of -53 per cent. Rougemount, Pickering: average price of $1,040,000 in 2025 vs. $2,076,530 in 2022 — difference of -50 per cent. Vales of Humber, Brampton: average price of $1,830,000 in 2025 vs. $3,650,000 in 2022 — difference of -50 per cent. Windfields, Toronto: average price of $3,270,000 in 2025 vs. $6,375,000 in 2022 — difference of -49 per cent. Wanless Park, Toronto: average price of $2,182,500 in 2025 vs. $4,150,000 in 2022 — difference of -47 per cent. Mineola, Mississauga: average price of $1,420,000 in 2025 vs. $2,637,500 — difference of -46 per cent. Northwood, Brampton: average price of $751,000 in 2025 vs. $1,350,000 — difference of – 44 per cent. Tyandaga, Burlington: average price of $1,020,000 in 2025 vs. $1,731,000 in 2022 — difference of -41 per cent. Church-Yonge Corridor, Toronto: average price of $1,657,500 in 2025 vs. $2,750,000 in 2022 — difference of -40 per cent. Westgate, Brampton: average price of $895,000 in 2025 vs. $1,480,000 in 2022 — difference of -40 per cent.”

Foundation for Economic Education. “‘Sacrifice a gringo,’ ‘Mexico for the Mexicans,’ ‘Gentrification = Colonization,’ ‘Gringo Go Home’—these were some of the slogans used in a recent demonstration against gentrification in Mexico City. What began as a peaceful protest escalated when demonstrators smashed windows and doors of stores and cafés in Roma and Condesa, trendy neighborhoods among foreigners. One video captured protesters harassing a group of non-locals, with one of them chanting, ‘Mátenlo! Mátenlo!’ (‘Kill him! Kill him!’). The protest has been compared to recent ones in Italy, Portugal, and Spain. At least ten activist organizations were involved, including the Frente Anti Gentrificación CDMX, a left-wing, Marxist Communist group advocating resistance against ‘the territorial and cultural whitewashing of Mexico.'”

“Since the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, average rent in Mexico City has increased by an estimated 45%, while prices in the most attractive neighborhoods (the main targets of last week’s protest) have since surged by around 80%. ‘I believe what happened in Roma-Condesa doesn’t really have much to do with gentrification in the urban sense…’ said Dr. Víctor Isolino Doval, a professor at Universidad Panamericana. ‘We can concede that the protest began as a demonstration against gentrification as an urban phenomenon, but other groups joined opposing what they perceived as a North American invasion, against the digital nomads driving up local prices, and then it turned into a protest against capitalism, and then into one in favor of Palestine… it got out of control.’ Mexico City’s anti-gentrification protest was just superficially about housing. The protest expressed a deeper and more complex malaise, one that has been explored, at times controversially so, by writers such as Samuel Ramos in El perfil del hombre (1934) and Octavio Paz in El Laberinto de la Soledad (1950). Dr. Doval summarized it best: ‘a Mexican ethos moved by a spirit of revenge.'”

The Waikato Times in New Zealand. “A plan to lift morale in the building trade has become a symbol of the its malaise, with a home built by subbies sitting unsold for six months. The Subbie Spec house in Cambridge was built by a team of 40 tradies and suppliers as a positive project during tough times. But a sluggish residential market means so far offers for the $1.4 million high-spec home haven’t met the mark. It’s a symptom of wider challenges for the construction sector – Waikato’s third-largest employer”

“The Cambridge house is beautiful, says Daniel Davies, owner of Davies Homes and the man who led the project. ‘It came together pretty quick, and the team’s still in a positive mind. But we’ve had a couple of offers in and the team thought it was too cheap.’ The 223m² home was finished late last year and has three bedrooms, an office, two living spaces and high-end finishes. Davies has seen downturns before – he compares this one to the post-GFC era when houses sat on the market for months. ‘It is a pretty tough time out there for tradesmen,’ he says. ‘But I reckon the FOMO is around the corner.'”

“According to Stats NZ, new dwelling consents in Waikato dropped 9.2% in the year to May 2025, from 3168 to 2876. It’s a steeper drop than the 4.3% fall in Auckland and part of a national decline in residential activity. For now, though, “we are in a tough environment,’ says Julien Leys, CEO of the Building Industry Federation. ‘We’ve seen liquidations, project delays, and real uncertainty. That’s shrinking pipelines of work and reducing investment.’ Builders who once had six to 12 months of confirmed work now operate job-to-job. Back at the Subbie Spec house, Davies is still hopeful, saying the team build was a success and a sale would confirm that. If he did it again he’d pick a simpler build. ‘Maybe we went a little bit too high-spec for this market.'”

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  1. According to Rojas, many of these homeowners originally purchased property using FHA loans, which allow low down payments…New federal and state immigration policies, including restrictions on FHA loans for non-permanent residents’

    Oh dear…

      1. A few deets, direct quotes from Chatty. Sorry for the length, but I felt this was important.

        [NOTE: I will probably repeat this comment tomorrow.]

        —————-
        what are the new restrictions are on FHA loans for non-permanent residents?

        Non-Permanent Residents (e.g., work visa holders, DACA, pending asylees)
        No longer eligible for any FHA-insured mortgages—including single family, manufactured home, or Title I property improvement loans—effective for new applications with case numbers dated May 25, 2025, or later.

        Even work-authorized individuals with visas like H‑1B, TN‑status, DACA, or pending asylum status cannot apply for FHA loans after this date.

        Does that change if there is a citizen child?

        FHA eligibility is based solely on the applicant’s own immigration status. Having a U.S. citizen child does not confer eligibility for FHA programs.

        In this context, what is a “pending asylee?”

        In this context, a “pending asylee” refers to a non-citizen who has applied for asylum in the United States and is waiting for a decision—but has not yet been granted asylum or lawful permanent resident status (green card).

        What if the non-permanent resident has applied for an FHA loan? Can those mortgages go to closing?

        Therefore, FHA loans cannot go to closing if the borrower is only a pending asylee. This applies even if the case was in process before May 25, 2025, unless the lender had already issued a clear to close before that date.
        —————-

        OK, can I just, DAYUM. All you had to do was APPLY for asylum and *boom* you can get an FHA loan, “while your application is being processed,” of course. Possibly using USAID/NGO money for the 3.5% down payment.

        The other day there was an article about the parolee migrants losing status and work permits, and being fired from JBS meat processing. The guy from JBS said “many of them were trying to buy homes.” This is after only two years in-country.

        If you think you love 47, you don’t love him enough. Now we just need to make sure this continues with JD so that it doesn’t all get wound back again.

        1. ‘This applies even if the case was in process before May 25, 2025, unless the lender had already issued a clear to close before that date’

          Thanks for looking all that up. So I guess that was the date it all came down. DONG! Probably one of the biggest finds on this blog in a while. Imagine how many people just got disqualified in California? I follow this stuff everyday and I hadn’t heard about this

  2. ‘Dayna and Matt Fancher lost their home in Fort Myers Beach, Florida, to Hurricane Ian in 2022. One month into this year’s hurricane season, the couple is still paying their home insurance policy — now twice as costly — while fighting the firm in court over their claim. The Fanchers said their home insurance provider paid them only a third of what it would cost to rebuild their home, and that adjusters repeatedly disputed their storm damage claims. In the end, the Fanchers say, they took out construction loans to be able to move back into their home. ‘We have the same coverage that we had, we’re paying double, and we didn’t get the assistance that we needed’

    Insurance doesn’t work if they have to pay out Matt, and on top of that, shanty prices on yer sh$thole island just cratered.

  3. ‘The original list price for the current inventory, before any list price reductions, is over $25 million on average. ‘This is interesting because average sale price for all Aspen single-family homes was just under $20 million in 2024 and has been closer to $16 million thus far in 2025 – there’s a disconnect between the number of listings above $20 million and the actual number of buyers at that price point’

    So $9 million off asking Mark, at least. Because when UHS start using averages when they usually use medians, it means they are a lion.

    ‘I would say we’re moving into that buyer’s market right now,’ Grand County Board of Realtors Chairwoman Monica Anderson said. ‘I think there’s a lot of opportunities for any buyer that’s on the fence.’ For Grand County, the homes in limbo have driven median prices down by 13.4% compared to June 2024, which, according to Anderson, would normally be a driver for buyers’

    I had to look up Grand County Monica. Jeebus talk about bum fook Egypt.

  4. ‘She said even before the raids began, more than half of her income went straight to rent. Now, she said, her income has plummeted. ‘My children are afraid of me leaving the house’…Bass said she has met with families who lost income after a worker was detained. She recalled meeting one mother who ‘now is concerned that she might face being evicted and being homeless’ because a family member was locked up by federal immigration authorities. When asked if the city has plans to contribute taxpayer funds toward the relief effort, Bass said: ‘I wish we had general fund money for that’

    And orange man bad is cutting off the rent/gravy for bums too Karen. How do you like that ‘cheap labor’ now?

    1. Bass said: ‘I wish we had general fund money for that’

      So now she admits that her promises of free money to illegals were empty. Typical commie.

      1. city of L.A., Long Beach and L.A. County are asking philanthropists to fund cash assistance programs
        I think most of the Free money is gone and I don’t see truly wealthy people donating their money for this project.

        1. and I don’t see truly wealthy people donating their money for this project.

          They didn’t get rich by writing checks!

        2. donating their money for this project

          Especially when you consider how much money it would take to give say $10,000 to every illegal in LA: ~$10B

          Those checkbooks will stay slammed shut!

      2. It’s not that Bass doesn’t have the money. If she uses city or state money to hand out to illegal immigrants to pay rent so they don’t have to leave the house, couldn’t that be seen as harboring? Even if she just arranges to distribute philanthropy money, that’s might be seen as harboring too.

        She just pretending she’s broke to thread the needle between staying legal and stave off the pressure from advocates.

        And yous guys are right — I don’t think there will be much philanthropy money forthcoming. They don’t have enough money to wait out the next 3.5 years (or 11.5 years) until the next amnesty comes.

        1. city or state money

          Last I checked both LA and Clownifornia are billions in the hole. They can’t even pay their current bills. I strongly suspect that the billions allocated by the feds for the bullet train to nowhere got spent paying other bills, which is partly why nothing has been built.

          As our host occasionally reminds us, California is the poorest state in the country.

          As for arresting Bass or Newsom for harboring aliens, while it would be great, I’m not sure the political will to do it exists, at lest not yet. Well, see if they really go after Obummer first.

  5. ‘how prices around the city have changed since the most recent market high in 2022. Huttonville, Brampton: average price of $825,000 in 2025 vs. $1,760,000 in 2022 — difference of -53 per cent’

    I’ve been saying it was probably like this with the igloo clusters. Prices have been sinking like a turd in a well since 2022. They won’t come close to selling or refinancing without an a$$ pounding. You really screwed up this time Tiff.

  6. ‘a left-wing, Marxist Communist group advocating resistance against ‘the territorial and cultural whitewashing of Mexico…‘a Mexican ethos moved by a spirit of revenge’

    A bunch of racist communists. I watched some of the videos. The most violent guys were dressed like 1980’s skinheads.

  7. ‘It came together pretty quick, and the team’s still in a positive mind. But we’ve had a couple of offers in and the team thought it was too cheap’

    Yer team is right Dan, don’t give it away!

    ‘The 223m² home was finished late last year and has three bedrooms, an office, two living spaces and high-end finishes. Davies has seen downturns before – he compares this one to the post-GFC era when houses sat on the market for months. ‘It is a pretty tough time out there for tradesmen,’ he says. ‘But I reckon the FOMO is around the corner’…Builders who once had six to 12 months of confirmed work now operate job-to-job…Davies is still hopeful, saying the team build was a success and a sale would confirm that. If he did it again he’d pick a simpler build. ‘Maybe we went a little bit too high-spec for this market’

    So work is drying up and they go all in for a 1.4 million spec shanty. You only live once!

    1. 223 m2 is 2400 square feet. That’s enough space for a 5-bedroom house, or a 4-bed with office/den/library. And $1.4 million. It sound like one of the “dream houses” we have in here in the US. Of course it has nothing to do with actual housing, and everything to do with product placement for the expensive gadgetry.

      If these yokuls really wanted to inspire the public, they should have built 5 houses 1000-1500 sq ft, for $200K each. Then I’ll believe they’re serious about housing.

  8. For an 85 year old house, it looks really nice. Although I’m very skeptical of old houses since they tend to be under-insulated and may still have the original plumbing and electrical. Despite the nice remodel, its still an old house in an old neighborhood in downtown Crestview, FL. Sold for 89K in 2018, reduced multiple times from 280K down to 225K now. I’d say the sellers are stuck with it.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/909-Mapoles-St-Crestview-FL-32536/46009969_zpid/

      1. I remember seeing a small dog (noisy yapper) standing on a gator’s back as it ambled toward shade. This was at Ft. Polk in a military on-post housing complex. Kids in diapers running around too.

    1. “…under-insulated…”

      It looks like new exterior siding, so maybe modern insulation was installed given today’s high electricity costs?

    2. “Sold for 89K in 2018, ”

      I checked the street view. As far back as 2008 the house was in good shape, so I don’t think it was a complete renovation. So there’s really no justification for $225K. $160K, maybe.

    1. Lt. Byrd was never charged or otherwise punished or disciplined for Ashli’s homicide.

      I’d say it isn’t too late.

  9. Fired Federal Worker Blasts Winsome Earle-Sears for Dismissing and Downplaying the Attacks on Virginia Jobs

    Following new reporting that exposed Winsome Earle-Sears for complaining that Donald Trump’s attacks on federal jobs were hurting her campaign while refusing to stand up for Virginians, a fired federal worker called Sears out in a letter to Inside NOVA, writing:

    After 20 years in the federal government and service in the U.S. Coast Guard, I was laid off when the Trump administration and DOGE targeted federal workers, many of whom are Virginians. These weren’t just job cuts; they were gut punches to families like mine.

    When Lt. Gov. Winsome Earle-Sears downplayed these attacks, saying she would help Trump “get the job done” and that laid-off workers would be “all right,” it was both shocking and deeply insulting. At one event, she even said, “I don’t understand why people are treating the layoffs as a big deal.”

    Let me explain: Losing a job means losing stability, health care and the ability to support our families. For us, it meant scrambling to replace the income we relied on and worrying about insurance that would cover the care for our son with autism.

    Earle-Sears says there are “thousands” of other jobs available. In reality, they don’t match our experience or pay. Worse, these layoffs are hitting the people who support our communities, like Veterans Affairs workers who care for our veterans.

    This is bigger than one person or family – it’s about thousands of Virginians and the ripple effects on our economy. Yet Earle-Sears chooses to dismiss these concerns instead of fighting for us.

    If she wants to be governor, she should start acting like she understands what working families face. Right now, she’s shown us that she’s not up to the task.

    https://bluevirginia.us/2025/07/fired-federal-worker-blasts-winsome-earle-sears-for-dismissing-and-downplaying-the-attacks-on-virginia-jobs/

    1. Earle-Sears says there are “thousands” of other jobs available. In reality, they don’t match our experience or pay.

      That’ what happens, a lot, to people who are laid off from the private sector, they scramble to find whatever they can. No one in the media ever documents how it was a “gut punch” when they got dejobbed.

      1. When I was de-jobbed at 55, I drove for Quest picking up piss and blood to keep some cash coming in. I’ve since started a business.

        I’m not shedding a tear.

    2. oh, see the rest of us have been getting laid off semi-regularly for 30 plus years, losing pension, getting bene’s cut, all the time. No one cared

      but now, now that it’s YOUR job that’s being cut, NOW it’s an issue?

      eff off

    3. Federal Worker should take comfort in that his job elimination will allow two (at least) jobs to form in the private sector.

    4. Dear Feddie,
      You don’t have twenty years of experience. You have ONE year of experience, repeated twenty times.

      The value of labor is inversely proportional to the number of people in the pool, weighted by market demand for the product. In your case, there is little demand for your product, and you are in a large, fungible, labor pool.

      What do YOU think you are “worth”?

      Cheer up. Floundering in the fungible labor pool swamp will allow you to develop one of the private sector’s signature attributes: resilience!

      You’re welcome.

  10. Stellantis warns of $3.7B Cdn loss for first half of 2025 due to tariffs and some big charges

    Stellantis, the maker of Jeep and Ram vehicles, says its preliminary estimates show a 2.3-billion euro (nearly $3.7-billion Cdn) net loss in the first half of the year due to U.S. tariffs and some hefty charges.

    The head of Canada’s Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association (APMA) says plants like those in Windsor and Brampton, both in Ontario, can’t survive that kind of storm.

    The loss is a pressing reason the tariffs need to be removed, said Flavio Volpe, president of the APMA, which represents the interests of automotive original equipment suppliers.

    “When I think about the tariff impact on Stellantis, I think about the Brampton assembly plant, which is idle and doesn’t have any product assigned to it,” he said.

    “I think about the Windsor assembly plant, that every few weeks goes down for a week. Those two plants can’t survive the tariff. The company can survive the tariff. Those plants can’t. That’s why it’s important that we get the tariff removed.”

    Volpe said the Brampton plant alone employs 3,000 people directly and 9,000 people through suppliers. If the tariffs continue, that plant is in serious danger.

    “Stellantis can’t fight the White House and the market at the same time.”

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/stellantis-2025-tariffs-trump-losses-charges-1.7589917

      1. They can’t even use the old Chyyna argument that Canada is cheap labor. Why did they move to Canada in the first place? To escape the UAW?

  11. Trump’s trade policy is completely nonsensical, and entirely clear

    Any time Howard Lutnick is interviewed, you’re guaranteed a whole lot of mishegas. But because he’s the U.S. Secretary of Commerce, and his words are tailored to express what he thinks the boss wants to hear, attention must be paid. Even to the nonsense. Especially to the nonsense.

    In a Sunday morning chat with the CBS TV program Face the Nation, Mr. Lutnick said some things that are positive for trade between Canada and its largest trading partner. Unfortunately, he said even more things that suggest long-term negatives for our previously free-trading relationship.

    Mr. Lutnick said that 75 per cent of goods currently move tariff-free among Mexico, the U.S. and Canada, while an analysis last month from RBC Economics puts the figure even higher, with 89 per cent of Canadian exports USMCA-complaint in April. Whatever the level, take it as a sign that the Trump administration does not want the markets or the American public to believe that it’s trying to end free trade with Canada.

    That’s why Mr. Lutnick justified existing and possible future tariffs on Canada as an action forced upon the U.S. “Unless you stop this fentanyl and close the border,” he said, the U.S. would have no choice but to hit Canada with tariffs.

    Though in the next breath he added that, even if Canada addressed the imaginary fentanyl problem, tariffs could remain.

    “The President understands that we need to open the markets,” he said. “Canada is not open to us. They need to open their market. Unless they’re willing to open their market, they’re going to pay a tariff. That’s a simple message the President has. It’s fair trade, it’s reciprocal trade. Why should we have our country be wide open while theirs is closed?”

    That is the most magnificent mille-feuille of mishegas. It’s layer upon layer of flaky nonsense.

    Notice how Mr. Lutnick described Mr. Trump’s trade policy: “It’s fair trade, it’s reciprocal trade.”

    To quote noted Spanish trade expert Inigo Montoya, “You keep using that word” – reciprocal. “I do not think it means what you think it means.”

    Prime Minister Mark Carney said last week that the Americans are signalling that they don’t want to make a deal that doesn’t include tariffs, and on Sunday Mr. Lutnick underlined that. It appears to be the Trump administration one clear policy goal in all discussions with its trade partners.

    As for the future of free-ish trade under USMCA, which he had been touting a moment earlier, Mr. Lutnick said that of course the treaty will have to be renegotiated next year. And he left no mistaking that in his view the U.S. goal in those negotiations would be less free trade and more tariffs. He said, as Mr. Trump has repeatedly said, that the President, “doesn’t want cars built in Canada or Mexico when they can be built in Michigan or Ohio.”

    If you’re trying to come to an agreement with someone, and the person on the other side of the table is constantly changing their demands and the reasons for them, there are two possibilities. The first is that they don’t know what they want. The second is that they know exactly what they want.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-trump-trade-policy-howard-lutnick-usmca/

  12. Families of Italian nationals held in Alligator Alcatraz plead for their release

    Two Italian nationals living in the United States are among the inmates currently being held at the ICE detention center known as “Alligator Alcatraz” in Florida, according to Italy’s foreign ministry.

    Fernando Eduardo Artese, 63, and Gaetano Cateno Mirabella Costa, 45, were both sent to the facility, said to be surrounded by alligators, on immigration violations. Italy’s foreign ministry confirmed to CNN that the two men were being detained in the US, but would not give any further details, citing privacy reasons.

    Artese’s daughter Carla Artese says her father, who is a dual Italian-Argentinian citizen who worked as a security camera technician, had been living legally in the US since 2018 under the Visa Waiver Program.

    Fearful that a new clampdown would lead to his arrest, Artese decided to repatriate to Europe later this year, his daughter said.

    Artese was stopped on June 25 while driving with his family in a camper van. He had the intention of leaving the US and driving to Argentina. The family had planned to document the journey on a YouTube channel called “Argentinomades” according to Carla Artese, who is planning to start university in Spain, where she was born, in the fall.

    But her father was stopped during a routine traffic stop and officers found an outstanding warrant for failing to appear in court for a driving violation, Carla Artese said. He was then detained and sent to “Alligator Alcatraz” a week later. DHS said Artese overstayed his visa by 10 years.

    “This year, we were trying to leave the USA, and ICE got him and sent him to Alligator Alcatraz, where they treat them like criminals and have no rights,” Carla Artese wrote on a fundraising page. “They haven’t given him any information about his case or any right to an attorney. Not to mention, they haven’t added him to the system yet, so he doesn’t even appear like an inmate anywhere. He wants to self-deport when they let him, which he also would have to pay for the ticket.”

    “He is a loving husband and dad. He has provided for all of us since day one. He is a father figure to me and many of my friends. He is a hard worker who only wanted to leave the country with his family after paying taxes and working hard the whole time he’s been here!”

    Artese described “Alligator Alcatraz” as “a concentration camp” in an interview earlier this month with the Tampa Bay Times. “They treat us like criminals, it’s a pursuit of humiliation. We’re all workers and people fighting for our families.”

    Meanwhile, Mirabla Costa spoke with Italy’s state broadcaster RAI by phone over the weekend, describing the dire situation.

    “We are literally caged, like a chicken coop. There are 32 of us in a cage, the bathrooms are open and everyone sees you,” he said. “I don’t even have the chance to speak to a lawyer, or a judge. Get us out of this nightmare.”

    Mirabella Costa served six months in jail for domestic violence against his American ex-wife and for possession of prescription drugs and was arrested upon his release by ICE officials for violating immigration laws, he told the Italian outlet.

    DHS says Costa overstayed his B2 visa by nearly 7 years, adding in a statement that his “criminal history includes arrests for battery on a person 65 years or older, possession of a controlled substance, and marijuana possession. Osceola County Sheriff’s office arrested him on February 26, 2025.”

    His mother, Rosanna Mirabella Costa, told RAI that her son was taken to a preliminary hearing “with shackles on his feet and shackles on his hands, like a dog. The only positive thing is that he can talk on the phone,” she added.

    https://wsvn.com/news/local/florida/families-of-italian-nationals-held-in-alligator-alcatraz-plead-for-their-release/

    1. had been living legally in the US since 2018 under the Visa Waiver Program.

      He sounds like he overstayed his visit:

      The Visa Waiver Program (VWP) allows citizens of certain countries to travel to the United States for tourism or business for up to 90 days without needing a visa. Instead of a visa, travelers must obtain authorization through the Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA).

      DHS says Costa overstayed his B2 visa by nearly 7 years

      But her father was stopped during a routine traffic stop and officers found an outstanding warrant for failing to appear in court for a driving violation,

      What is with these people and failing to appear in court?

        1. Overstaying a tourist visa is how middle class foreigners become illegals. They aren’t going to wade across the Rio Grande or hike across the Sonora desert.

          1. I suspect that every single grandma is a visa overstay. Illegal alien has a baby and brings grandma in on a tourist visa to help with the baby. Grandma never goes home. It’s all part of “taking care of your family.” Very popular with the passport bro crowd.

          2. Unless you’re from the right country you will need a visa and I suspect that most abuelas can’t get a tourist visa

          3. If you’re from a third world country, a tourist visa requires a fair amount of paperwork. Specifically, reasonable proof the person will return to their home country — so a fat bank account, property ownership, and a good stable job.

    2. they are Argentinians who claimed, and sadly were granted, Italian citizenship based on 3-4th generation, etc. never had any intent to live in Italy, but used that other passport to enter US and stay here illegally. that’s all there is to it.

  13. We have the same coverage that we had, we’re paying double, and we didn’t get the assistance that we needed,’ Matt Fancher said.”

    Matt is a slow learner.

  14. A family came to Chicago seeking asylum. Dad was deported. Now mom wants to leave.

    Young mom “Maria” has been spending the long summer days waiting, looking out the window of her apartment on the South Side. The asylum seeker from Venezuela scrolls through her phone constantly, checking for the flight the government said it would put her on to return home. She’s scheduled to fly at the end of July.

    Maria enrolled in President Donald Trump’s new, voluntary self-deportation program. Trump is promising travel assistance and a stipend of $1,000. Maria says stipend or not, she just wants to go back to Venezuela.

    “What I want is to leave,” Maria says in Spanish while her 2- and 6-year-olds play in the family’s nearly empty apartment. Her 9-year-old lay on the floor watching a show on a small phone. “I’ve lost everything here,” the mother says, looking around.

    Maria’s husband, “Marcos,” was recently deported to Venezuela. He says he spent nearly three months in 10 different detention centers after being arrested in Chicago as part of a wave of detentions under Trump. At their request, WBEZ is not using their real names because they fear retaliation.

    Marcos was deported to Venezuela in June. WBEZ tracked him down in Caracas. He offered a detailed account of what happened after his arrest in Chicago, including the conditions in crowded U.S. detention facilities and what federal agents can do to get people deported. Maria spoke about how her life has unraveled and why she is ready to leave.

    Marcos was arrested by immigration agents in March after he dropped their kids off for school and spoke with their teachers about their report cards. On his way out, federal agents surrounded his car. They told him they had an immigration arrest order.

    Marcos says he was confused. He and his wife had been following immigration law. They had applied for asylum and had work permits and driver’s licenses.

    “I thought you were arresting people with criminal offenses, I don’t have a criminal record,” Marcos said in Spanish as he recounted his experience.

    Many thoughts ran through his head. His kids inside the school. The car he and Maria had just bought the day before. The life they were building in Chicago after a treacherous journey to the United States.

    About two months into his detention, Marcos’ asylum application — and thus his last shot at staying in America — was denied .

    He didn’t want to appeal. He desperately wanted out of detention. He needed to figure out a way to support his family. Marcos knew his wife was struggling to feed their kids.

    But after his application was denied, he lost all hope of seeing his wife and three children any time soon. Now back in Venezuela, Marcos is glad to be free. He video chats daily with Maria and the kids. But the family is separated and he worries about them.

    Now, she is barely holding on. “I don’t have anything anymore,” she says. She opened her almost empty refrigerator and pointed at her empty living room. She got rid of her furniture. She also sold her car.

    When she learned about Trump’s self-deportation program on social media, she saw an opportunity. The Trump administration rebranded an asylum app initially developed under President Joe Biden. Trump is using it to get people to self-deport. She started the process and has a departure date. Now, she is just waiting for the travel details. She sends emails every day asking for updates.

    She says she has no other options. She doesn’t want to be in the United States without Marcos any longer.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/07/22/a-family-came-to-chicago-seeking-asylum-he-was-deported-now-she-wants-to-leave

    1. The life they were building in Chicago after a treacherous journey to the United States.

      I have a hunch it wasn’t as treacherous as the MSM says it was. They likely were transported from Caracas to Juarez, via plane, boat and/or bus. Those caravans were for optics. The ten million plus that came did not walk here. As we later learned, some were even flown straight into the US at the taxpayers’ expense.

    2. The story is heavy on what happened post-arrest and light on what triggered Marco’s arrest. And the articles uses false names, partially so that we can’t look the specific case up ourselves.

      I just hope that ICE is doing everything right. We can’t afford too many Maryland Men.

  15. Amid ICE arrests, California puts new limits on legal aid for some undocumented immigrants

    California is about to put new restrictions on its legal aid fund often used by undocumented immigrants. Advocates are saying with all of the recent federal immigration actions, the timing couldn’t be worse.

    Starting next year, immigrants with serious or violent felony convictions will no longer be eligible for services funded through the Equal Access Fund, a major source of support for low-income legal assistance.

    That’s troubling for advocates like Bruno Huizar with the California Immigrant Policy Center.

    “At a time when federal agents have arrested over 1,600 people in Southern California, separating families, violating constitutional rights and terrorizing neighborhoods,” he said. “Now is not the time to add restrictions excluding people from access to life-changing services.”

    He said the decision “rolls back” progress to ensuring all people have access to due process when facing detention and deportation, while also punishing immigrants with criminal histories twice for mistakes they’ve made.

    “Many people have already served their sentences, been released by a judge and rebuilt their lives,” he said. “Excluding people from legal support not only creates this two-tier system of justice, which treats people differently based on where they were born, but really heightens the risk of inhumane detention, wrongful deportation and permanent family separation.”

    The decision comes after Republican lawmakers criticized Democrats for adding $10 million to the fund earlier this year, and another $10 million to a similar state fund meant for immigration legal services.

    According to CalMatters, Republican state lawmakers made efforts to prevent taxpayer funds from being used to shield immigrants with felonies, but were blocked by Democrats. Assembly Republican Leader James Gallagher said this showed “just how out of touch the Democratic supermajority has become.”

    Klein said she’s already seeing an impact, especially on the advocates that do this work.

    “They’re extremely disappointed and worried about the future,” she said. “This just creates fear in communities that are already afraid. The more we scare people, the more they go underground and don’t seek help. That’s something we certainly already see happening.”

    Giselle Garcia is a volunteer with NorCal Resist. The group refers immigrants to legal nonprofits, many of which rely on state funding. She echoed Klein’s sentiments noting that daily arrests by federal agents at Sacramento’s federal courthouse has made many immigrants afraid to seek help at all.

    Although Norcal Resist doesn’t receive Equal Access Fund grants, Garcia said the groups they refer people to often do. She thinks adding restrictions means more people are left without support.

    “We always discuss how private attorneys on an asylum case can run between $15,000 and $20,000,” she highlighted. “When you don’t have a work permit, that’s really hard to get. And it’s hard for anyone, let alone an immigrant.”

    Garcia argued that adding restrictions means more people are left without any support and continues the stigma of “the perfect immigrant.”

    “It’s a political decision being made to further use immigrants as scapegoats for issues in society,” she said. “By allowing this rule to be codified, we’re saying, ‘There is a good immigrant and there’s a bad immigrant.’ We’re not recognizing that immigrants are less likely to be involved in the penal legal system here in the United States than a U.S.-born individual.”

    https://www.capradio.org/articles/2025/07/21/amid-ice-arrests-california-puts-new-limits-on-legal-aid-for-some-undocumented-immigrants/

    ‘We’re not recognizing that immigrants are less likely to be involved in the penal legal system here in the United States than a U.S.-born individual’

    I think she’s a lion.

    1. We’re not recognizing that immigrants are less likely to be involved in the penal legal system here in the United States than a U.S.-born individual

      Well, duh! They skip court hearing for all sorts of issues. That counts as not being involved in the penal legal system, right?

    2. Amid ICE arrests, California puts new limits on legal aid for some undocumented immigrants

      I think that’s called “what happens when you run out of free money.”

    3. ” two-tier system of justice, which treats people differently based on where they were born”

      They’re inventing new constitutional rights every day.

      1. Imagine if we had a few more Sonias and Kentaji’s on the bench. They might just do that.

        As our resident electrician likes to point out, the left doesn’t consider the USA to be a republic. To them we are an economic zone.

  16. Wife shares family impact after Cuban husband deported to Mexico

    AURORA, Colorado — After weeks of uncertainty at the Aurora Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility, Alexandria Dowell received the call she had been dreading. Her husband, Ariel Cruz Penton, had been transferred to Texas.

    Then she learned he had been deported, with no answers for several days of where he had been deported to or where he was.

    Then she got a call from him, that he had been dropped off in the state of Tabasco, Mexico.

    “He had nothing. He had to find a charger. And he had no money,” Dowell said.

    Cruz Penton, a Cuban immigrant, was among those affected by the Trump administration’s new policy allowing third-country deportations to places where deportees have no connections. Cuba typically does not accept deportation flights from the United States.

    The deportation came after days of radio silence from immigration officials.

    “Still nothing. Didn’t hear a word,” Dowell said of the communication during her husband’s detention. “Our lawyers were trying to figure out where he was. No communication from the deportation officer, radio silence, and then for three days, I heard absolutely nothing.”

    “He was dropped off in Tabasco, Mexico, and like I said, he had no identification,” Dowell said. “He probably had 80 bucks that was still in his wallet, and I’m surprised they didn’t take that if I’m being honest.”

    The situation reflects the challenges faced by deportees sent to third countries. Cruz Penton has no family, friends or ties to Mexico. Right now, he doesn’t have the ability to work in Mexico either.

    Being a political refugee, it would be dangerous for Cruz Penton to return to Cuba. When he arrived in the United States several years ago, Dowell said, her husband presented himself at the border and was detained by ICE. They subsequently released him after he unknowingly signed paperwork that waived his right to humanitarian parole and asylum. He and Dowell have been trying to fix the situation since they got married three years ago.

    “For me, it’s really difficult. I have had to suppress my own emotions to just get by,” she said. “I might look fine, like going about, working, whatever. But I’m not fine. I’m holding it together with super glue and duct tape internally because I have to stay strong for my family.”

    Dowell flew to Mexico to help her husband find housing, something she never expected to do while maintaining their home in the United States.

    The couple is now filing paperwork in hopes of reuniting, but faces an uncertain timeline. Dowell said she is optimistic given that she is a U.S. citizen and given the fact that Cruz Penton has no criminal history.

    “We don’t know what’s happening. We don’t know when it’s going to be all resolved. And there is no timeline,” Dowell said.

    Legal costs continue to rise as they work with lawyers to navigate both the U.S immigration system as well as the system in Mexico. The family is raising funds for their continued legal battle here.

    https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/wife-shares-family-impact-cuban-husband-deported-to-mexico/73-8703a46d-31bc-4dd9-9521-29001fddefcc

      1. He probably figured he would just keep going to his “check ins” indefinitely.

        I’ll bet illegals are/were expecting to get Social Security and Medicare when they retire, even though they never paid a penny into them. I’m sure that no one at those check in meetings ever told them anything to the contrary.

        1. I asked a few days ago a layer who specializes in such cases. he told me there in no way in hell anyone without full legal status in US could apply for such benefits. I told him I keep on hearing it here and there. his reply: no way!!

          1. You cannot get SS or Medicare unless you pay into them. Your number has the benefit amount attached to it.

            So if illegals are getting it then they are using someone else’s legit number and / or name

          2. The established working class get SS and Medicare whereas the dysfunctional get SSDI and Medicaid, and the various States are eager to sign them up in order to bring in more federal dollars, e.g., the off-shored mid west and rust belt areas.

        2. If I could not pay taxes and FICA I’d be able to retire comfortably much earlier than my current trajectory.

          I’d also drive a newer car lol.

          Extra points if my kids get SNAP and their public school feeds them two or three meals per day.

          1. “Extra points if my kids get SNAP and their public school feeds them two or three meals per day.”

            Better check if it’s healthy food.

        3. After another 30+ years of millions pouring in, Congress would be totally controlled by Dems, who would simply pass a new law making everyone eligible.

    1. Right now, he doesn’t have the ability to work in Mexico either.

      Whaaaat? You mean he can’t legally get a job in Mexico?

      1. Years ago I looked into what it would take to reside in Mexico. At that time you couldn’t get a job, you had to demonstrate you were earning some amount per month. I think it was $1500, from interest or other legal means. And you had to show up and reprove that income IIRC every three months. Later I learned you couldn’t get involved in politics or bad mouth the guberment. And you sure as heck couldn’t break laws.

        1. At that time you couldn’t get a job

          That requires an FM-2 Visa, which are next to impossible to get. Only if you have a very specialized skill that is in demand and for which there is a shortage of workers.

    2. Further research shows that he was actually given a deportation order in 2019
      “Ariel was burdened by a final deportation order issued by an immigration judge in 2019 after entering the U.S. at the El Paso, Texas border”

  17. Canada’s refugee system — and the world’s — is overdue for an overhaul

    This week offered a couple of insights into Canada’s slow, overburdened and massively backlogged refugee system . Both suggest the need for serious, long-overdue systemic change.

    he first case involves Angel Jenkel , a gender non-binary American. She hadn’t actually claimed refugee status, it seems, but rather overstayed her visitor visa. But the result is being hailed as precedent-setting by those who argue Canada ought to offer LGBTQ Americans asylum : A Federal Court judge recently ordered Jenkel’s scheduled deportation stayed, arguing the “pre-removal risk assessment” — which anyone being deported from Canada can request, including failed asylum claimants — hadn’t taken into account the current conditions in Donald Trump’s United States.

    Jenkel may yet be deported. But it’s quite silly nonetheless. Leave aside for now the fact we often hear about how dreadful it is to be transgender or otherwise gender-non-conforming in Canada. The fact is, the United States has Portland, San Francisco, Las Vegas and other famously LGBTQ-friendly cities in it — indeed, more LGBTQ-friendly cities to choose from, and more cities period, than in Canada. Not wanting to move to another part of your country has never been justification for claiming asylum in another.

    “I … fear not being able to travel to see my family, as most of my family lives in the South, which has already been deemed unsafe for transgender people to travel,” Jenkel told the Globe and Mail — rather oddly, because there’s nothing Canada can do to remedy Jenkel’s travel wishes.

    Meanwhile, goodness only knows how many LGBTQ people are living under threat of persecution in countries that offer no areas of respite or sanctuary whatsoever. Only they don’t get nearly as much press in Canada as Americans. This is a classic example of how many of Canada’s refugee advocates can’t see past the ends of their noses.

    Meanwhile, United Way Greater Toronto released a study finding that asylum-seekers who settle in Canada’s biggest city from Africa are having a tough go of it. Major obstacles identified include housing, employment, recognition of foreign credentials, language barriers and insufficient legal support.

    Well … yeah. Everyone is struggling with housing. Toronto’s shelter system was so overtaxed in 2023 that this supposed “sanctuary city,” led by a supposedly progressive mayor, barred refugees from the city’s homeless shelters. They formed a makeshift encampment on a sidewalk downtown , before several evangelical churches stepped up to offer them food and shelter on their own dime.

    Language barriers? If you don’t speak English, and if you’re not part of a very well-established ethnic community in the city, then … yeah, you’re going to have trouble. (As of the 2021 Census, just six per cent of immigrants to the Greater Toronto Area came from Africa.) Mistrust of foreign credentials? Again, as our former prime minister Justin Trudeau might say, welcome to Canada. Some credentials can’t even cross provincial boundaries .

    Insufficient legal support? That checks out too. Google “Ontario legal aid crisis” and just watch the results flow in. (Aspiring refugee claimants might want to do that before they come.)

    The simple fact is, Canada is not equipped to handle as many refugee claims as we currently accept. If we were, there wouldn’t be African migrants sleeping on Toronto sidewalks. There wouldn’t have been 281,000 pending asylum cases as of March 31.

    Prime Minister Mark Carney’s Liberal government is certainly aware of the issue. Bill C-2 proposes a one-year deadline after arriving in Canada for claiming asylum — so people with expired or revoked visas couldn’t apply, for example — and to eliminate a loophole in the Safe Third Country Agreement that allows illegal border-crossers who evade capture for two weeks to apply for asylum nevertheless.

    Both are entirely reasonable. But the current issue of The Economist, cover headline “Scrap the refugee system,” suggests the sort of wholesale changes to the global refugee system that I have been arguing for forever. It’s interesting not so much as a piece of journalism as it is to know that liberal (and Liberal) policymakers very much tend to read The Economist.

    “About 123 million people have been displaced by conflict, disaster or persecution. … All these people have a right to seek safety,” the magazine’s editorial observes. “But ‘safety’ does not mean access to a rich country’s labour market. Indeed, resettlement in rich countries will never be more than a tiny part of the solution.”

    The goal, the august organ argues, should be for refugees to receive asylum closer to home — ideally in culturally and linguistically similar countries whose population will tend to be more sympathetic. For the money that rich countries spend processing everyone who manages to make it to their shores — who are generally by definition not the world’s most imperilled or downtrodden, else they wouldn’t be able to get here — they could help vastly more people to safety, even if not First World prosperity. (The latter was never the goal of the current system.)

    This is an idea that would require multilateral co-operation to achieve full bloom, of course. But many First World countries are far more hostile to asylum-seekers, if not immigrants in general, than Canada is. If Canada significantly restricted refugee claims made on Canadian soil, and instead refocused its efforts on helping people find refuge closer to home, it would set a useful example — not least because we have been so welcoming, to a fault, in the past.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/chris-selley-canada-s-refugee-system-and-the-world-s-is-overdue-for-an-overhaul/ar-AA1INSh0

    1. BTW until I started searching for deportation articles, I didn’t realize every country is deporting people all the time. Latin America, Asia, Europe, Arab countries, African countries. Even K-da.

      1. There’s a multi-episode documentary about the Dubai Airport’s operations. It mostly covers logistics and operations issues, but a substantial chunk is dedicated to their customs and immigration departments. And hoo boy! Do they arrest and deport a lot of people with fake passports and ids.

    2. Funny how the welcome mat is removed once the USAID money dries up. Now that they have to actually pay for it themselves it’s suddenly “But ‘safety’ does not mean access to a rich country’s labour market”. So they are economic immigrants after all?

  18. “According to Rojas, many of these homeowners originally purchased property using FHA loans, which allow low down payments, and locked in lower mortgage rates.”

    Your federal tax dollars at work…

    1. Man, I hope Tulsi is right about this. The last thing I want is for Tulsi and Kristi and Pam to put on a ton of makeup and jawbone on the news, only to find that they were wrong.

        1. What We NOW Know About Apparent Collusion Between Obama and the Press on Russiagate, w/ Matt Taibbi

          Megyn Kelly

          1 hour ago

          Megyn Kelly is joined by Matt Taibbi, editor of Racket News, to discuss what we now know about the apparent collusion between Obama and the press on Russiagate, how the press ignored the Steele dossier until Obama’s White House elevated the nonsense, and more.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aj3ojV3Fkg

          14:50.

  19. Sometimes Selling Low Isn’t Enough (Toronto Real Estate Market Update)

    Team Sessa Real Estate

    50 minutes ago

    In this episode, we discuss how buyers seem to be asking for an even better deal after already squeezing the seller in negotiations. We also look at the current Toronto Real Estate Market, specifically the detached home prices and market trends for the week ending July 16, 2025.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LakoGcQQqOQ

    16:29.

      1. Our local Rite Aid went t!ts up. Their drive-thru pharmacy kept them alive until Amazon started delivering drugs, even those requiring refrigeration arrive in a styrofoam box w/cold pack.

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