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A report from WHMI. “Home sales increased for the second straight month while inventory was at a five-year high for July in Southeast Michigan, per the latest numbers released by Realcomp for July. Griffith Realty President Scott Griffith talked with WHMI about sellers still trying to cash in, but interest rates are starting to slow buyers – speculating we could even see a slowdown in the housing market soon. In Livingston County, total sales were up 17.8% year-over-year; with a $425,000 median sales price. Washtenaw County was $440,000, Oakland County was $387,500, and Genesee County stood at $224,000. For Livingston County, Griffith commented he thinks that that price will ‘take the wind out of the sails for a lot of buyers’ – recognizing it’s a supply and demand world but at some point affordability comes in. Local listings year-over-year were up 20.1% – with many people still trying to cash in on the high prices. Griffith said he thinks a little bit of why listings are surging is the feeling – which he thinks is a popular belief – that things might slow down. He said people are looking at the opportunity to maximize their price now so there seems to be more activity – adding that ironically drives prices down when there’s more supply but they’ll see if that proves to be true or not. At some point, there will be certain breaking point. Griffith said nationally sales are down 2% and have been going down for a while and those markets that are down the most, tend to be the ones that had the greatest run up and were the most expensive. He said people can expect the same here in that prices at some point will have just sort of pushed as much as they can for a while and they have to acclimate.”

The Bangor Daily News. “More Mainers are overpricing their home, often causing them to sit on the market longer and ultimately reducing the homeowners’ profits, according to local real estate agents. That includes homes recently priced anywhere from $25,000 to $100,000 more than they should be, one real estate agent has seen. ‘When they overprice, the home sits on the market longer,’ said Jeff Harris, Maine Association of Realtors president and a broker at Harris Real Estate in Farmington. ‘Even $25,000 or $30,000 overpriced is enough to slow that home from selling quickly.’ The housing frenzy Maine witnessed during and immediately after the pandemic where buyers were routinely offering above asking and waived home inspections in order to secure a property is over, Harris said. But, some sellers haven’t realized or accepted that. The average home price in Maine rose to $425,000 — the highest in at least a decade — last month, the Maine Association of Realtors reported, ‘but that doesn’t mean every house is worth $425,000,’ Harris said.”

“That overpriced homes aren’t selling as fast also suggests that Maine’s housing market is shifting from being a seller’s market — where high demand and low inventory forces prices up — to a more balanced market, said Judy Oberg, president-elect of the Maine Association of Realtors and an agent at Bridgton-based Oberg Real Estate. ‘People need to pay attention and be flexible,’ Oberg said. ‘It’s still a good, strong market, but it’s changing.’ Homes listed for more than they’re worth are leading to more expired and canceled listings now than in the past five years, said Dava Davin, CEO of Portside Real Estate in southern Maine. ‘The number one reason homes sit for a long time or don’t sell is that they are priced too high,’ Davin said. Sellers price their homes for more than they should because they want the cost of their former home to pay for the price of their new one, but that rarely happens, Harris said.”

From WJLA. “The housing market in Washington, D.C., continued to shift over the summer as it turned into more of a buyer’s market. It’s a good sign for people who have been sitting on the sidelines — waiting to buy a home. Real estate firm Bright MLS reported that inventory is up 50% compared to last year. That means buyers are finding more homes to choose from and more bargaining power. ‘Homes are taking a little bit longer to sell, and sellers have to be really careful about how they price their home,’ said Bright MLS Chief Economist Lisa Sturtevant. ‘Affordability is a constraint. We are seeing some housing market activity related to people losing their jobs with the federal government. I think buyers who are waiting for rates to fall are going to remain on the sidelines this fall. So I expect we’ll continue to see buyer demand relatively slow in the fall. I do expect we’ll see prices soften, and perhaps year-over-year price declines in the fall.'”

“Sturtevant said suburban markets, including Fairfax and Loudoun Counties in Virginia, are still seeing very fast home sales — some in just a week, and prices rising year over year. Montgomery County’s housing market is looking a bit weaker, mainly due to a high concentration of federal government workers. In D.C., the sale of condos has slowed. First-time buyers are now averaging 38 years old — compared to 28 a decade ago– and they’re opting for close-in single-family homes with more space for their families. More contracts are also falling through. Buyers are making an offer, and those contracts aren’t making it to closing.”

From Longboat Key News. “Florida reported a year-over-year increase in single-family home sales for the first time since January – a rise of 2.8 percent in June. This is a change in tone from the recent downward trend in the state’s struggling housing market, according to the latest data by Florida Realtors. Falling prices might have helped: in June, the median sale price of a single-family home in the Sunshine State was $412,000, down 3.5 percent from a year earlier though still up a staggering 46 percent from 2020. Over the past couple of years, Florida built more new homes than any other state in the country in an attempt to meet demand. But in the meantime, as mortgage rates suddenly shot to 6-7 percent and employers started issuing return-to-office orders, demand cooled down. The Sunshine State—especially its most overheated markets—has found itself with more homes for sale than buyers are willing to purchase under the current situation. Facing dwindling interest and falling sales, sellers in Florida have increasingly slashed their asking prices in recent months, while some markets—like Tampa—are reporting double-digit+ price drops.”

Mansion Global on Nevada. “Sin City is seeing a surge in luxury home listings. The inventory of homes listed for $1 million and above in Las Vegas was up 42% annually in July, according to a report from Realtor.comy. That’s more than double the national increase of 20.3%. With this influx of luxury homes for sale, prices are falling rather drastically. Prices for homes in the 90th percentile—around $1.2 million and more—are down 12.2% year over year, much higher than the national price decrease of 1.14%. The more expensive the homes get, the greater the price decrease: The top 5% of listings, priced at $2 million and up, have seen prices drop 18.3%, triple the national average, according to the report.”

“The city’s trophy homes are struggling even more. For the top 1% of luxury homes, which start at about $5.8 million, prices have fallen 15.2% annually, compared with the nationwide drop of 6.78%. ‘Las Vegas luxury real estate is entering a new chapter, where bigger homes and rising inventory no longer guarantee bigger returns,’ said Anthony Smith, senior economist at Realtor.com. ‘Even as demand from out-of-state buyers holds steady, today’s luxury sellers are having to adjust both price and expectations.'”

The Durham Post in Canada. “Since the Greater Toronto Area’s real estate market peaked in early 2022, some neighbourhoods have seen staggering declines in house prices. In fact, in 10 neighbourhoods across the GTA, the median sale price of a single-family home fell by 40 per cent over a period of three years, according to the latest research from Wahi, a Canadian real estate listing website and app. Four Brampton neighbourhoods were within the top 10 in terms of seeing the largest percentage drops in median sale prices, with Huttonville (-53 per cent) accounting for the steepest decline in the GTA. The other Brampton neighbourhoods in the top 10 are Vales of Humber (-50 per cent), Northwood (-44 per cent), and Westgate (-40 per cent).”

“These neighbourhoods are at the extreme end of price declines during the past two and a half years. However, the downward trend has been widespread, with 289 of the 344 neighbourhoods that Wahi analyzed having lower prices this year than in April 2022. Looking at declines by dollar amount, the median price in 10 neighbourhoods across the GTA plunged by $1 million since spring three years ago. Six of the 10 neighbourhoods that recorded the largest drop on a dollar basis were located within the City of Toronto, led by Windfields. In Windfields, an upscale North York neighbourhood, the median price of a single-family home was $3,270,000 last month. That represents a jaw-dropping decline of $3,105,000 in the median sale price over a three-year period. It’s also more than $1 million more than the second-largest drop, which occurred in Wanless Park, another affluent North York community. There, the median single-family home price nosedived by $1,967,500 to $2,182,500.”

The Financial Post in Canada. “Holly Calderwood has worked in the Vancouver real estate industry for two decades, and there’s only been a handful of times when she has seen the housing market this bad. ‘I think the last time I saw this was in 2008-2009 during the financial crisis,’ she said. ‘And in 2020 during COVID-19.’ Calderwood has built a career specializing in selling luxury real estate from condos to waterfront properties, and she has recently noticed both a decline in sales and prices, as well as a rise in foreclosures. ‘It really picked up last year, but this year, too,’ she said. ‘A lot of foreclosures and then you just see the price dropping. Sometimes people are losing a couple of million.'”

“Economists and industry insiders say some markets have entered a buyer’s market for the first time in years, with cities such as Toronto, Vancouver and even Calgary recording significant drops in sales activity and posting record highs in inventory. That could be a sign of price bubbles bursting, which is welcome news for would-be buyers, but could also spell trouble for the Canadian economy, which has relied on housing in recent years as an important economic driver. ‘We have had a structural shift in interest rates,’ Charles St-Arnaud, chief economist at Alberta Central, said. ‘That changed the affordability equation quite significantly for many markets.'”

“In May, Canada’s newly appointed Housing Minister Gregor Robertson said the quiet part out loud when he was asked whether house prices should go down. ‘No, I think that we need to deliver more supply, make sure the market is stable,’ he said during a scrum on Parliament Hill. ‘It’s a huge part of our economy.’ Residential investment contributed 10 per cent to Canada’s gross domestic product (GDP) in 2021 during the pandemic housing boom and 7.5 per cent in 2023. The total value of housing assets grew to $4.2 trillion last year, representing 25 per cent of national wealth. Condo prices in Toronto’s surrounding suburbs are recording even more significant drops than in the city itself, according to a recent report by Moody Analytics. For example, prices in Halton Hills have fallen by as much as 50 per cent from their peak.”

“Investor participation in the real estate market has also been criticized for turning housing into an asset and for taking capital away from other productive parts of the economy. Canada’s lagging business investment and productivity are longstanding issues. But many regular homeowners often use their houses as a funding source for retirement or it may be the only major asset they own. ‘We can think about the boomers who are sitting on big appreciation in their house values, but we can also think of recent buyers who probably overstretched themselves to get on the market,’ St-Arnaud said. ‘How do we deal with that if in 25 years they have zero appreciation on their main asset and they can’t save for anything else?'”

The Spinoff in New Zealand. “Christine Fletcher and Troy Churton’s recent treatise on why we shouldn’t let people build so much housing in Auckland is mostly standard fare. The Albert-Eden-Puketāpapa councillor and her partner in urban crime from the Orākei Local Board worry for the city’s special character areas. But then, a surprise. The pair deliver a warning that would have been unheard of just a few years ago, when renters were clambering over each other to lease mould-ridden houses in the back blocks of Blockhouse Bay. If the government insists on making them legalise apartments near train stations, they intone, the city could end up with an oversupply of housing.”

“Fletcher and Churton aren’t the only ones cautioning about the risk of us overindulging and becoming engorged on homes. Property coach Steve Goodey has complained repeatedly to RNZ about what he sees as a growing glut of townhouses in Auckland. The situation is so severe that in some cases it’s resulting in house vendors reducing their asking prices, or even more sickeningly, landlords offering discounts to tempt tenants into their investment properties. Bank economists have also tentatively raised the spectre of us having ‘too much of a good thing.’ Real estate firms go even further, bullying our weighty and ‘bloated’ property market.”

“These concerns are notable for being what scientists would term ‘total bullshit.’ Auckland’s median house price is still just shy of $1 million. That’s 7.7 times the city’s median household income, and though that ratio has come down in recent years thanks to a classic one-two combo of a construction boom and crippling recession, it still comfortably rates as severely unaffordable on the scale set up by the Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey. The rest of the country isn’t faring much better, with a median multiple of 6.3. In Queenstown, that rises to 12.5, a number so high that just thinking about buying a house there will bankrupt you.”

“These are not the hallmarks of a market awash in surplus housing. New Zealand has had a malfunctioning property market for so long that the first glimmer of normality is being treated like a catastrophe. Could it be that the problem isn’t so much housing oversupply, but instead that our property-owning class is experiencing unfamiliar pangs of withdrawal after having the needle of untaxed capital gains partially removed from its arm? Is it possible that investors are screaming, not because the market has gone bung, but because tenants no longer have to sacrifice their firstborn to get a barely maintained bungalow?”

“Even if they’re right though, and we’re in the midst of a massive housing glut, what’s the problem again? Having too many houses is like having too many bowls of Kiwi onion dip. All it means is that you have a lot of delicious options to choose from at the post-funeral snack table. There could be a few downsides to that so-called oversupply. Slowing demand may cause a downturn in the construction sector. Some landlords and property speculators might lose money for pretty much the first time in our nation’s history. But for the rest of us, it means no longer exchanging a kidney for the first rental that comes along, or competing against hordes of moneyed investors at almost every auction. It means finally walking into that supermarket, finding a range of affordable beans on offer, and maybe, just maybe, even getting a decent bargain. That sounds like a good problem to have. You might even say it’s not actually a problem at all.”

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  1. ‘These concerns are notable for being what scientists would term ‘total bullshit.’ Auckland’s median house price is still just shy of $1 million. That’s 7.7 times the city’s median household income, and though that ratio has come down in recent years thanks to a classic one-two combo of a construction boom and crippling recession, it still comfortably rates as severely unaffordable on the scale set up by the Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey. The rest of the country isn’t faring much better, with a median multiple of 6.3. In Queenstown, that rises to 12.5, a number so high that just thinking about buying a house there will bankrupt you’

    ‘These are not the hallmarks of a market awash in surplus housing. New Zealand has had a malfunctioning property market for so long that the first glimmer of normality is being treated like a catastrophe. Could it be that the problem isn’t so much housing oversupply, but instead that our property-owning class is experiencing unfamiliar pangs of withdrawal after having the needle of untaxed capital gains partially removed from its arm? Is it possible that investors are screaming, not because the market has gone bung, but because tenants no longer have to sacrifice their firstborn to get a barely maintained bungalow?’

    IMO there was a yuuge housing bubble before the CCP virus and the central bankers went bat sh$t crazy. You really screwed up this time Jerry. I came across this earlier today:

    Low inventory, buyer surplus: Spencer housing market strong
    June 06, 2018

    The median home sales price in the Iowa Great Lakes area so far in 2018 is approximately $120,000. This is slightly down from last year when the median sales price was approximately $127,750, according to statistics provided by Century 21 broker and Iowa Association of Realtors president-elect John Goede.

    “A lot of people come to northwest Iowa because they can have affordable living,” Goede said. “A couple of studies found Iowa was one of the friendliest states as far as affordability of homes. Here you can buy a home for two or 2 1/2 times your income. In fact, you can go to some of the outlying communities here and buy a very livable home for $50,000. I go to these national meetings and they say to me, ‘I can’t even buy dirt for $110,000.”

    https://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/articles/archive/low-inventory-buyer-surplus-spencer-housing-market-strong/

    Indiana has some similar markets. Is that really so bad Jerry? Shacks regular people can afford on a regular income without sticking their necks out like an ostrich?

  2. ‘Homes are taking a little bit longer to sell, and sellers have to be really careful about how they price their home,’ said Bright MLS Chief Economist Lisa Sturtevant. ‘Affordability is a constraint. We are seeing some housing market activity related to people losing their jobs with the federal government. I think buyers who are waiting for rates to fall are going to remain on the sidelines this fall. So I expect we’ll continue to see buyer demand relatively slow in the fall. I do expect we’ll see prices soften, and perhaps year-over-year price declines in the fall’

    She’s saying prices have been sinking like a turd in a well for almost a year. Eat yer crows Lisa.

    1. I wonder how the new crackdown on illegal immigrants will affect the housing market. Illegals can no long buy a house with FHA, and I’m not sure how many LLs will want to rent to illegal immigrants who no longer have jobs or work permits.

  3. ‘In Livingston County, total sales were up 17.8% year-over-year; with a $425,000 median sales price. Washtenaw County was $440,000, Oakland County was $387,500, and Genesee County stood at $224,000. For Livingston County, Griffith commented he thinks that that price will ‘take the wind out of the sails for a lot of buyers’ – recognizing it’s a supply and demand world but at some point affordability comes in. Local listings year-over-year were up 20.1% – with many people still trying to cash in on the high prices. Griffith said he thinks a little bit of why listings are surging is the feeling – which he thinks is a popular belief – that things might slow down. He said people are looking at the opportunity to maximize their price now so there seems to be more activity – adding that ironically drives prices down’

    You know Scott, $400,000 is a sh$tload of money.

  4. ‘Calderwood has built a career specializing in selling luxury real estate from condos to waterfront properties, and she has recently noticed both a decline in sales and prices, as well as a rise in foreclosures. ‘It really picked up last year, but this year, too,’ she said. ‘A lot of foreclosures and then you just see the price dropping. Sometimes people are losing a couple of million’

    This article just came out a couple of hours ago and is worth reading in full. This is about as mainstream as K-da gets. So it’s not just Vancouver and Toronto. And it’s not just condos. Single family is getting hit way worse in peso terms.

    ‘Investor participation in the real estate market has also been criticized for turning housing into an asset and for taking capital away from other productive parts of the economy. Canada’s lagging business investment and productivity are longstanding issues. But many regular homeowners often use their houses as a funding source for retirement or it may be the only major asset they own. ‘We can think about the boomers who are sitting on big appreciation in their house values, but we can also think of recent buyers who probably overstretched themselves to get on the market,’ St-Arnaud said. ‘How do we deal with that if in 25 years they have zero appreciation on their main asset and they can’t save for anything else?’

    My default advice is put yer head between yer knees and kiss yer a$$ goodbye Charlie. You once had a real economy, and you tossed it away.

  5. Did you lose buckets of money buying Chinese meme stocks you learned about on social media?

    Cry me a river…

    1. Financial Times
      Equities
      ‘I almost fell off my chair’: Investors lose billions on meme stocks as ‘pump and dump’ scams multiply
      A handful of Nasdaq-listed Chinese companies crashed last month after heavy promotion on social media
      Two people watch a large screen at the Nasdaq site displaying news of Donald Trump meeting Vladimir Putin in Alaska.
      Stock pump and dumps have plagued US markets for decades © Eduardo Munoz/Reuters
      George Steer in New York
      Published 8 hours ago

      Investors lost billions of dollars in July betting on a handful of small US-listed Chinese stocks that plunged in value shortly after being heavily promoted on social media.

      Seven Nasdaq-listed microcap stocks — Concorde International, Ostin Technology, Top KingWin, Skyline Builders, Everbright Digital, Park Ha Biological Technology and Pheton Holdings — all dropped more than 80 per cent over a few trading sessions in recent weeks.

      The declines wiped a cumulative $3.7bn off their market value, according to price data analysed by predictive analytics firm InvestorLink. All seven stocks had surged before their sudden sell-offs, having been plugged to investors on WhatsApp groups and social media sites.

  6. For the top 1% of luxury homes, which start at about $5.8 million, prices have fallen 15.2% annually, compared with the nationwide drop of 6.78%.

    It was only Yellen Bux.

  7. Four Brampton neighbourhoods were within the top 10 in terms of seeing the largest percentage drops in median sale prices, with Huttonville (-53 per cent) accounting for the steepest decline in the GTA. The other Brampton neighbourhoods in the top 10 are Vales of Humber (-50 per cent), Northwood (-44 per cent), and Westgate (-40 per cent).”

    FOMO lemmings who levered up on debt to get up on that housing ladder to effortless riches are screwed, blued, & tattooed.

  8. However, the downward trend has been widespread, with 289 of the 344 neighbourhoods that Wahi analyzed having lower prices this year than in April 2022.

    But…but…muh generational wealth!

  9. In Windfields, an upscale North York neighbourhood, the median price of a single-family home was $3,270,000 last month. That represents a jaw-dropping decline of $3,105,000 in the median sale price over a three-year period.

    It was only Tiff Bux. Fake wealth created by fake money has a way of growing wings & flying off to debauched currency heaven as true price discovery lays waste to central bank asset bubbles & Ponzi markets.

  10. Sometimes people are losing a couple of million.’”

    Welp, at least they weren’t throwing away money on rent.

  11. “In May, Canada’s newly appointed Housing Minister Gregor Robertson said the quiet part out loud when he was asked whether house prices should go down. ‘No, I think that we need to deliver more supply, make sure the market is stable,’ he said during a scrum on Parliament Hill. ‘It’s a huge part of our economy.’

    All of the former Western democracies need to bring back public flogging and the stocks for these scumbags who presided over the creation of unsustainable housing bubbles.

  12. A little after daybreak this morning I nearly got rear-ended by a woman in a Lexus SUV. My guess is that she was a realtor in a hurry to lie to prospective clients.

    1. The American Trucking Industry has been gutted by unregulated immigration over the past five years. These “California ” drivers are part of an eco system that puts profit over safety. That puts greed before your family.

      A system that not only doesn’t put Americans first but allows for the daily slaughter of innocent Americans on our highways.

      Its time to put Americans First!!

      Investigate California CDL issuance
      Ban and revoke all Non-Domicile CDLs
      Ban all Foreign CDLs

      https://x.com/atutruckers/status/1956702566173315162?

  13. “Property appraised at $230k. Motivated seller. SECTION 8 APPROVED!”

    Purchased by Chiong Enterprise in 2024 for 55K.

    Just another lipstick flip from another South Florida speculator, infestor, or money launderer. Its an 86 year old wood house in an undesirable area. Appraisals are worth less than used toilet paper in my opinion. If its such a great deal why doesn’t the agent buy it? I bet she wouldn’t be caught dead living in that neighborhood.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8351-Dudley-Ave-Pensacola-FL-32534/44644535_zpid/

    1. When Justin Klish stumbled upon an ad for Yieldstreet in February 2022, he said, it was the company’s tagline that stuck in his head.

      “Invest like the 1%,” the startup said.

      The ad spoke to his desire to build wealth and diversify away from stocks, which were then in freefall, Klish said. Yieldstreet says it gives retail investors such as Klish access to the types of deals that were previously only the domain of Wall Street firms or the ultrarich.

      So Klish, a 46-year-old financial services worker living in Miami, logged on to Yieldstreet’s platform, where a pair of offerings jumped out to him.

      The stupid, it burns.

  14. Worldwide Plaza in New York City appraised at $345M, an 80% reduction from its $1.7B value in 2017 – a $1.355B haircut.

    $940M in CMBS debt.

    The debt was split between two CMBS transactions: a single-asset, single-borrower loan that holds $381.3M of senior debt and $323.7M of junior debt, and $235M of pari-passu senior debt held by a separate CMBS trust.

    There is also $260M of mezzanine debt.
    The new appraisal effectively wipes all of that out, plus the owners of several classes of the CMBS loans.

    2M SF Built 1989

    -bisnow

    #commercialrealestate

    https://x.com/FCNightingale/status/1957224068794450055

    1. Puddle posted 6:32 PM · Aug 17, 2025.

      I found that article the day it came out and posted it here yesterday morning.

    2. “Worldwide Plaza in New York City appraised at $345M, an 80% reduction from its $1.7B value in 2017 – a $1.355B haircut.”

      That should drag the comps downward. 🙂

  15. A Philadelphia Tourette syndrome advocate had a ‘dream job’ as a federal disability policy advisor. Then mass layoffs began.

    When Adam Fishbein was offered a position in the U.S. Department of Labor in 2021, it felt like he’d achieved a goal that he had worked toward most of his life.

    He was a new college graduate and became a policy advisor in the Office of Disability Employment Policy, a nonregulatory agency that crafts policies and works with employers to increase workplace opportunities for people with disabilities.

    “When I got that job, I was elated. I was over the moon,” he said. “It was my dream job.”

    Fishbein was diagnosed with Tourette syndrome at 6 years old, which set him on a path of advocacy work and fueled his determination to exceed people’s expectations of what it means to live with a disability.

    At the office, he worked with a team of people in Washington, D.C., to ensure that employment programs and policies designed to support people with disabilities, like workplace accommodations, recruitment practices and discrimination protections, were well-funded and working correctly.

    “What I loved about that was that I was affecting change. It felt like I was affecting change on a macro level,” Fishbein said. “I thought I would be there for my whole career. I really did. And maybe that was naïve.”

    In February, the initiative known as the Department of Government Efficiency, or D.O.G.E., began ordering mass layoffs and firings across various federal agencies and departments to align with President Donald Trump’s goal of downsizing the size and scope of the federal government.

    Fishbein was among thousands of workers who’ve lost their jobs through deferred resignations, early retirements, layoffs or firings.

    Now, Fishbein faces an uncertain future in his own career, and he said he worries about the future of employment opportunities and protections for all people with disabilities if federal oversight and enforcement becomes weaker.

    “We’re going to go backwards,” he said. “There’s no question.”

    The federal workforce cuts and the loss of his job have threatened to upend the life Fishbein has built for himself, he said.

    He left his job in April under a deferred resignation program, which was an option given to some federal workers that came with guaranteed pay and benefits through at least Sept. 30.

    About 154,000 federal workers have left or lost their jobs through deferred resignations and retirements, officials at the Office of Personnel Management told the Washington Post.

    To say it was a voluntary choice is misleading, Fishbein said.

    “They were encouraging us to take the deferred resignation offer and I took it because I frankly couldn’t afford to let it play out and potentially be unemployed with no safety net,” he said.

    Fishbein has spent the last couple months looking for a new job, which has yielded few interviews and little success so far. The pressure is growing, he said, as the Sept. 30 date approaches.

    “I’m facing potentially having no full-time income that’s stable and potentially having to move home, away from my whole life here,” he said. “It’s a scary prospect.”

    https://whyy.org/articles/federal-layoffs-disability-employment/

    1. “We’re going to go backwards,” he said. “There’s no question.”

      A nation that’s $37 trillion in debt can no longer afford to fund non-essential positions such as your “dream job,” Fishbein. Having to fend for yourself in our globalist-looted economy might be an eye-opener for you & your fellow FedGov castaways jettisoned from make-work jobs in Panem on the Potomac.

  16. Investors beware: The AI revolution could be a dud

    Consider this. An AI chatbot uses 200 million times more energy than the human brain to perform the tasks it does. Once done the task, the human owner of the brain can then, if he or she so chooses, cook dinner, pick up the kids, run a triathlon, play music, write a letter, unplug the drain, shop for clothes, paint the fence – you name it. But the AI chatbot can simply run variants of the same task.

    So why is so much money being sunk into a technology when we already have a cheaper, far more versatile one? The answer is that AI can do specific tasks quicker – sometimes much quicker – and more accurately than the human brain could ever do. If only good at one thing, it can nonetheless be very good.

    The progress isn’t always linear, though. Research has found that doctors using AI to perform diagnostics tend, on average, to lose diagnostic skills. Smarter machines can make for dumber people so for now, at least, AI outputs need to be verified by humans. Nevertheless AI could automate some tasks while enhancing human performance in others, so its potential seems considerable.

    It’s a highly speculative bet but one investors are, so far, willing to bankroll. The Magnificent Seven companies in the vanguard of the revolution have announced plans to spend hundreds of billions of dollars developing new chips, building data centres and developing applications.

    Investors are matching their enthusiasm, bidding the share values of the Mag7 so high that Nvidia alone is now worth almost a tenth of the total value of the US stock market. Retail investors are throwing caution to the wind to join the gold rush, with margin debt at record levels, up 25 per cent in the last year alone.

    But as time passes, the risks attached to this bet grow ever more evident. It’s now nearly three years since the launch of ChatGPT fired the starting gun on the AI revolution, yet still we lie in wait for any evidence AI will significantly raise output.

    On the contrary the growth of labour productivity remains as sluggish as it’s been for years, with few signs yet that the widespread adoption of AI – Americans prompt ChatGPT more than 300 million times a day – is doing anything to make most workers more productive.

    And because AI is sucking in a sea of capital, there’s little left for everyone else, the result being that investment in the rest of the economy is now declining and corporate earnings outside the Magnificent Seven are largely stagnating.

    The AI revolution is real and is already proving transformative. But whether it will justify the current spending under way in the U.S. is another matter.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-artificial-intelligence-ai-investing-china/

    1. Cheyenne to host massive AI data center using more electricity than all Wyoming homes combined.

      An artificial intelligence data center that would use more electricity than every home in Wyoming combined before expanding to as much as five times that size will be built soon near Cheyenne, according to the city’s mayor.

      “It’s a game changer. It’s huge,” Mayor Patrick Collins said Monday.

      With cool weather — good for keeping computer temperatures down — and an abundance of inexpensive electricity from a top energy-producing state, Wyoming’s capital has become a hub of computing power.

      The city has been home to Microsoft data centers since 2012. An $800 million data center announced last year by Facebook parent company Meta Platforms is nearing completion, Collins said.

      The latest data center, a joint effort between regional energy infrastructure company Tallgrass and AI data center developer Crusoe, would begin at 1.8 gigawatts of electricity and be scalable to 10 gigawatts, according to a joint company statement.

    2. DeepSeek is free and when it came out is was much better at just about everything than ChatGPT. They even fully released it so you can run it on your own machines, no internet or data center required. This fact alone should have popped the AI bubble. My top 3 doesn’t even include ChatGPT.

      1) DeepSeek
      2) Claude
      3) Grok

      DeepSeek isn’t as good for coding as the other two but it is open source and excels at actually trying to help you without overdoing the toxic positivity which is why it is my number 1 but I use the other two a lot too. For the record, we had a paid sub to GPT for a bit. It’s not worth it.

  17. City of Seattle installs ‘public masturbation deterrent infrastructure’ at Perv Park, makes matters worse

    In response to a court-mandated abatement plan, Seattle officials have installed the “public masturbation deterrent infrastructure,” which the city previously said wasn’t seriously being considered. It destroys a gorgeous park, rather than do anything to stop the public sex and masturbation that caught the ire of neighbors and a local judge.

    Fencing and signs at Denny Blaine Park now divide the so-called “Perv Park” into clothing-optional and clothing-required zones. The move comes amid mounting concerns from neighbors over repeated instances of lewd conduct at the waterfront park.

    Last week, city crews erected the chain-link fence topped with green mesh along the park’s eastern section—creating a “public masturbation deterrent infrastructure” that was previously mentioned in a city-requested RFP for “Access Improvements and Plan for Denny Blaine Park.” The intent is to shield the clothing-optional zone near the lake from view and curb the visibility of perverts having sex or masturbating in public. It does not, however, stop the underlying lewd behavior at the center of a lawsuit alleging the city has done virtually nothing to stop the public sex.

    The fence barely lasted a day at Perv Park. On the night of August 16, Seattle Police responded to a vandalism incident at the park.

    A homeless man, described as in his 30s to 40s, allegedly tore down the green tarp from the fence, stuffed it into a portable restroom, and caused damage to the structure. Witnesses say the man often frequents the park and reportedly resides in a nearby tent encampment.

    City crews restored the barrier the next day, but community reaction remains sharply divided. Some visitors criticized the fence’s appearance and questioned its effectiveness—calling it visually intrusive, gaudy, and a poor deterrent that might even enable lewd behavior to occur out of sight.

    https://seattlered.com/seattle-red/opinion/perv-park-fence/4113990

  18. The politics of fear used by Carney are wearing thin

    All governments use fear to manipulate citizens to some extent or another, but over the past six months, we have been subjected to a bombardment of fear of what can happen if we don’t do what our government, or more precisely, the man at the helm of that government, wants us to do.

    Carney got elected by using the fear tactic. An almost hysterical reaction to Trump’s grumblings about Canada being a 51st State was the perfect weapon. The childish motto “Elbows up!” was the slogan to motivate the fearful. At first, it was a gratifying emotional release, a rallying cry that made everyone feel united. Canadian flags were flown. American wine was hauled from the shelves. American anthems were (shamefully) booed at sports events. A sort of Canadian jingoism took hold as people vowed never to go near the US border or their southern winter homes until we had vanquished the frightful monster in Washington.

    Next was instilling fear of Pierre Poilievre as a cross between a Trump clone and a right-wing extremist. Trudeau had been unsuccessful at this, but under Carney, it caught. Poilievre (even though he has a dearly loved gay father) was painted as homophobic and next to a Nazi. While it was Carney signing Trump-like executive orders before even being elected, it was Poilievre who was painted as Trump Light.

    And of course, the tariffs. Only he, Mark Carney, could prevent the dreaded tariffs from stealing the light from our eyes as we became impoverished by Trump’s threats.

    So far, Carney has not lived up to a single one of his promises in dealing with this great American threat. But watch him change the narrative as it becomes obvious that he has no influence south of the border. Trump no longer even answers his calls. Time to pivot.

    Not to worry. Mr. Carney has a big bundle of fear in his stylish European backpack. There is still the renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement on the schedule for next year. There is a lot more at stake with this than the current threats.

    Don’t forget the greatest fear of all: CLIMATE CHANGE. That’s a jolly good one. There are so many interesting avenues to travel down. There is the ever-looming existential “Net Zero” death-to-all-mankind threat. (Never mind that this is completely impossible by any date, let alone by 2050, or that if Canada completely eliminated its less than 2% share of carbon emissions, it would not make a bit of difference to the world. And certainly not to mention that carbon is the fundamental element for all life.)

    But wait… there’s another problem. Populations are growing. The more people, the more carbon emissions — even without our petroleum-driven machines. Oh dear, what are we going to do about overpopulation? With global warming, Canada is bound to be a target for those escaping the heat in southern climes — so we need to boost our military to protect us from invasion…

    This is not the first time Carney has used fear to influence a nation. As Britain prepared to leave the European Union, reports say, “Mark Carney’s stark economic warnings before the 2016 Brexit referendum triggered a fierce public and political backlash, sharply dividing opinion between those who saw him as responsible and those who accused him of fearmongering and bias.” Contrary to Carney’s dire predictions, Britain did not fall into recession after Brexit.

    Fearmongering to manipulate a population does have its downsides. Sooner or later the predicted apocalyptic event fails to materialize, and the threat goes stale. Citizens begin to catch on, becoming disillusioned, angry and then distrustful of the government.

    Tempers are beginning to cool. I am sure there are even those who are feeling a bit embarrassed by the Canadian hair-on-fire reactions to their friends, neighbours and sometimes family across the border.

    We still have issues to deal with — the tariffs we currently face will have an impact on us in terms of driving away some trade with the U.S. or even encouraging certain major companies to remove themselves southward to avoid them. I hate not being able to buy Bic pickles and I really miss my Gnarly Head wine. But my world has not ended or even been tremendously affected — nor, I expect, has yours.

    Meanwhile, Mexico has found a comfortable way forward with Trump. The rest of the world has either settled with him or are negotiating. Yet here we remain — waiting for the other shoe to drop. Good job, Mr. Carney. I must say you handled that masterfully.

    https://winnipegsun.com/opinion/columnists/dobbie-the-politics-of-fear-used-by-carney-are-wearing-thin

    1. The Heritage UK population is finally starting to rise up and push back against their globalist quisling government’s facilitation of mass 3rd World immigration. Canadian cucks have been remarkably docile and passive as their WEF puppet regime consigns Heritage Canadian young people to a future as debt serfs on the incorporated neoliberal plantation, but will a failing economy be the catalyst for a Great Awakening among the former sheeple?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy1f-J4cDRI

    2. Poilievre (even though he has a dearly loved gay father) was painted as homophobic and next to a Nazi.

      This is what passes for a far right conservative in Canada.

      It’s their funeral.

  19. ICE in Hudson. Here’s how it affects the local community

    Up until recently, Jess didn’t worry about her family being targeted by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. ICE, from her understanding, only targeted immigrants with criminal records.

    Originally from Ecuador, Jess, her husband and their two young children lived in Hudson, awaiting a court date for asylum in 2027. Once gaining asylum, immigrants can apply for a chance to live in the country permanently.

    Working as a mechanic early one morning, Jess’ husband had been walking from one car to the next when he was approached by a person asking for his license. Then six more people encircled him.

    Jess was at home with their children when she received the phone call from her husband. He told her he had been detained by ICE. Jess immediately called her brother, who told her to talk to an attorney to help her clarify her husband’s situation. Aside from a traffic ticket, the Star-Observer found no prior convictions or charges for Jess’ husband.

    “He was taken, so very close to our home. At that time, I was shocked,” Jess said.
“I didn’t know what to do and I just wanted to cry.”

    Denise Flaherty and Julie Noyes, both Los Amigos volunteers, said they both had been in contact with several of the detainees’ family members and heard of multiple other cases, like a female kitchen worker at a Hudson restaurant, taken by ICE from her home on July 30. Multiple workers at the restaurant independently confirmed that this was the case.

    At Sherburne County jail, Jess’ husband waited a week for a bond hearing, which the court denied. They gave him another immigration hearing last Monday. And despite their attorney assuring Jess that her husband could not be deported based on his asylum claim, because they applied too late, they didn’t qualify for asylum.

    “My husband told me that ‘If there is no option, just take me back,’” Jess said. “It’s very hard for him to be in jail.”

    Jess said authorities have not been in contact with her, and she and her family have not seen Jess’ husband in-person, which for their children, ages 2 and 6, has had a detrimental impact.

    “It’s very hard to think about all of this with my two kids,” Jess said. “My son got sick. He didn’t want to eat. He didn’t want to play. He was so sad. That also made me very sad. Everything is so difficult because we were not prepared for this.”

    Jess said her biggest fear now is being separated from her children. “I believe all immigrants are feeling the same pain and fear,” she said. “I’m afraid even when I’m at home.”

    After her husband is deported, Jess and her children will leave the country. Her husband’s only option now is to appeal his asylum denial, but due to the uncertainty of the outcome and the effort required to cover expenses and hire an attorney, he has asked to just be deported, she said.

    “This is just super difficult to confront and handle,” Jess said. “I think it’s better for other Latino families to self deport so they don’t have to go through what I am going through. Even though we are not doing anything wrong. Just by being in this country undocumented, we are seen as a threat. They treat us like criminals.”

    https://www.hudsonstarobserver.com/news/ice-in-hudson-here-s-how-it-affects-the-local-community/article_61b6913b-863b-4317-8921-762767823f1f.html

    You’ll all get used to the outhouse and banana leaves again Jess.

    1. Even though we are not doing anything wrong. Just by being in this country undocumented, we are seen as a threat

      Tell me about how much free cheese you get, Jess. Section 8? Food Stamps? Medicaid? Free school for your kids? You are stealing from taxpayers, though I’m sure you don’t see it that way, you probably see those as entitlements, something you “have a right to” even though you are not a legal US resident,

  20. On this day 105 years ago the 19th Amendment was ratified, marking the beginning of the end of America as the greatest nation on earth.

  21. As deportations of southeast Asians ramp up, community organizes response

    President Donald Trump’s campaign to deport immigrants en masse has reached the southeast Asian community in East St. Paul and beyond.

    More than 150 southeast Asians have been deported from Minnesota since May, according to MN8, a Southeast Asian political advocacy group. More are awaiting deportation at an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement facility in Louisiana.

    Many of those deported were brought to the U.S. as children as their parents fled the destruction of the Vietnam War and what’s known as the Secret War in Laos. The CIA recruited Hmong people in Laos to fight against the North Vietnamese army; many of the surviving soldiers fled with their families to the U.S. after the war.

    Activists gathered at the East Side Freedom Library in St. Paul Sunday to call attention to the deportations and discuss how to respond.

    “Those same children who came as refugees are being sent back to the countries their family originally fled from by the same government that was responsible for their displacement 50 years ago,” said Montha Chum, executive director of MN8.

    The Trump administration has highlighted the criminal records of the southeast Asian deportees. Many of those deported had served their sentences and became productive members of society, said Mai Neng Moua, an immigration attorney and board chair of MN8.

    Rep. Kaohly Vang Her, DFL-St. Paul, was three years old when her parents joined the initial wave of Hmong refugees fleeing Laos for the U.S.; her grandfather was a colonel in the Secret War.

    Her — also a candidate for mayor of St. Paul — and MN8 supported reforms to the state pardon and clemency process that were passed by the DFL-controlled Legislature in 2023. Those reforms are of particular importance to immigrants with felonies on their records, who may be subject to deportation.

    Her said after Trump was elected to a second term, she and Rep. Liz Lee, DFL-St. Paul, met with staff from the administration of Joe Biden to ask for expedited pardons — including for those who could be at risk of deportation due to prior convictions. But the administration didn’t have enough time to issue the pardons, according to Her.

    “We felt so hopeless because we knew what was going to be coming for our communities,” Her said.

    MN8 is working with other organizations to gather information on deportees, connect deportees to their families and send care packages upon their arrival in their new — often unfamiliar — country, Chum said.

    https://minnesotareformer.com/2025/08/18/deportations-southeast-asians-community-response/

    Here are the ‘criminal records of the southeast Asian deportees.’

    ICE Deports Heinous Criminal Illegal Aliens Including a Gang Member, Pedophiles, and Drug Traffickers

    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/08/13/ice-deports-heinous-criminal-illegal-aliens-including-gang-member-pedophiles-and

    Jeebus, check out these fine fellows photos!

    1. Jeebus, check out these fine fellows photos!

      Compared to the antifa mugshots, these gang-bangers at least look like bona-fide members of the male species.

      1. Hmong community group slams recent deportations

        On Sunday morning in St. Paul, about a half-dozen community representatives talked about recent immigration enforcement efforts in Minnesota.

        Speakers acknowledged that people deported had criminal histories. But they said many of the crimes occurred years ago, and the offenders had since become productive members of society.

        “They keep asking when is daddy going to come home? It hurts as much as death. I have to tell them everyday that he might not come home again. It feels like my life stopped. My whole world stopped, and I just have to force myself to keep going,” speaker Montha Chum read from a family statement.

        https://www.fox9.com/news/hmong-community-group-slams-recent-deportations

    2. Many of those deported were brought to the U.S. as children as their parents fled the destruction of the Vietnam War

      Wouldn’t they have qualified for Amnesty in the 1980’s? Or did applicants back then need a perfectly clean criminal record?

  22. The REIC shills at the globalist scum media are pushing “hot” homebuilder stocks to the retail investor muppets. I’d be tempted to short homebuilders, but the shoddily-constructed, defect-ridden shacks they’re throwing up are probably still profitable thanks to all the corner-cutting and cheap materials.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/home-builder-stocks-are-hot-these-are-expected-to-show-the-best-growth-numbers-f2c88862?mod=home_ln

  23. These NY immigrants thought their deportation fights had ended. They were wrong.

    When Mireya, an immigrant from Venezuela, learned in May that the Trump administration was restarting her long-paused immigration court case, she said tremors of anxiety rippled through her body.

    Mireya’s case had been “administratively closed” years ago, meaning the federal government was no longer actively trying to deport her. She had been granted permission to stay in the United States under a designation known as Temporary Protected Status, a reprieve awarded to hundreds of thousands fearful of returning to Venezuela because of violence there.

    But now a new hearing was set for December — the first step toward her possible removal from the country.

    “You feel that in whatever moment they can take you,” the 49-year-old Queens resident, who asked that her full name not be used for fear of jeopardizing her immigration case, said in Spanish. When she received the news, she thought, “‘Wow. The moment has come.”

    Mireya’s case is one of thousands of paused immigration cases the Trump administration has moved to reopen nationwide. In practice, that means a government attorney asks a federal immigration court to “recalendar,” or restart, an immigration case that previously had been deemed not a priority for enforcement.

    Typically, such cases were indefinitely paused because the person was pursuing immigration relief outside the court system, or because the federal government decided they were not a deportation priority — perhaps because the person has no criminal history, or has strong family ties in the United States, or for other reasons, according to immigration attorneys.

    Under the Trump administration, the federal government has submitted nearly 49,000 motions to recalendar closed cases, according to a Gothamist analysis of immigration court data. That’s 1.5 times greater than the number of such motions under the first Trump administration, and nearly six times the number under President Joe Biden’s administration.

    In New York City, the Trump administration has submitted 6,103 motions to recalendar administratively closed cases, according to the Gothamist analysis.

    Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin defended the practice of restarting the paused cases.

    “Biden chose to release millions of illegal aliens, including criminals, into the country and used prosecutorial discretion to indefinitely delay their cases and allow them to illegally remain in the United States,” McLaughlin said in a statement. “Now, President [Donald] Trump and [Homeland Security Secretary Kristi] Noem are following the law and resuming these illegal aliens’ removal proceedings and ensuring their cases are heard by a judge.”

    Since mid-May, the administration has submitted motions to recalendar 150 cases being handled by the local nonprofit Central American Legal Assistance, according to Director Heather Axford.

    Local immigration attorneys say no pattern has emerged for whom the Trump administration is targeting, though the Trump administration has sought to end TPS protections for hundreds of thousands of immigrants, including from Venezuela, Haiti and Nicaragua, among others, who were previously authorized to remain in the country, contending the designation has been abused by prior administrations.

    “They’re using a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel,” said New York City-based immigration attorney Robert Tsigler. “They’re just going to start reopening all these cases.”

    Some of the people affected have been living in the United States for years. One affected woman has been in the country for over a decade, faced serious kidney problems, and had her case administratively closed when she was a teenager, according to Axford. The Trump administration has motioned to reopen her case.

    An octogenarian from Guatemala had her immigration case administratively closed nearly a decade ago, in 2016, because the Obama administration decided she wasn’t a deportation priority, Axford said. The Trump administration recently motioned to reopen her case, too.

    Some attorneys say they’ve tried to file opposing motions within the required 10 days, only to find the government’s motion hadn’t yet been filed, leaving them in limbo. Axford called the process “chaotic” and “pointless,” saying it wastes scarce court resources.

    Mireya, from Venezuela, wonders where she’ll go if she gets deported. She said she doesn’t have a passport, and she can’t return to her country.

    Since arriving in the country seven years ago from Venezuela, Mireya built a life in New York City –– renting a two-bedroom apartment in Flushing, working as a cook at a nonprofit daycare, and sending her daughter to university in Long Island. She never assumed she was safe from deportation, but she felt she was putting down roots. Now, she feared she’d lose it all.

    “What options do we have?” Mireya said. “We’re living in total uncertainty.”

    https://gothamist.com/news/these-ny-immigrants-thought-their-deportation-fights-had-ended-they-were-wrong

    ‘What options do we have?’

    I don’t know Mireya, but you can’t stay here. You had 7 years to figure something out and you squandered it.

    1. Since arriving in the country seven years ago from Venezuela, Mireya built a life in New York City –– renting a two-bedroom apartment in Flushing, working as a cook at a nonprofit daycare, and sending her daughter to university in Long Island.

      I’m guessing the life Mireya built for herself was heavily subsidized by taxpayer dollars.

    2. She had been granted permission to stay in the United States under a designation known as Temporary Protected Status

      That’s the thing about “temporary”, it isn’t permanent. Why do the invaders have such a hard time understanding that? Oh, that’s right, they thought they were untouchable.

      Some of the people affected have been living in the United States for years.

      So what? Is there a statute of limitations for deporting illegals? I didn’t think so.

  24. Illegal migrant suspect in deadly Florida crash was nearly deported — then allowed to stay after claiming he was afraid to return to India

    An illegal migrant who allegedly killed three people after making a rogue U-turn on a Florida highway is an Indian national who was previously processed for deportation but was able to stay after claiming he was afraid of being sent back to his home country.

    Harjinder Singh crossed the southern border into California in September 2018 and was processed for fast-track deportation by the first Trump administration, police sources told The Post.

    But after claiming fear of being sent back to India to US Citizenship and Immigration Services, Singh was released on a $5,000 immigration bond in January 2019 and has remained in immigration proceedings ever since.

    He has since gotten a Commercial Driver’s License in California, the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (FLHSMV) said in a statement on Saturday.

    He was arrested on Saturday by US Marshals in California on a warrant for three counts of vehicular homicide in connection to a deadly crash in Florida at around 3 p.m. last Thursday.

    A tractor-trailer driven by Singh made a hard left turn on the Florida Turnpike near Fort Pierce and attempted to cross the median through an “Official Use Only” pass, authorities said.

    As it blocked all lanes of oncoming traffic, a minivan then slammed into the trailer at full speed, becoming wedged underneath and killing a 37-year-old Pompano Beach woman, a 30-year-old Florida City man and a 54-year-old Miami man, Treasure Coast Newspapers reported.

    The two passengers died at the scene while the driver was rushed to a nearby hospital where he later died of his injuries. Neither Singh nor a passenger in the semi-truck with him at the time were injured, the Florida Highway Patrol said.

    Shocking video from inside the truck cab window shows Singh apparently completely unaffected at the moment of impact, calmly putting his vehicle into park and turning the engine off.

    Singh is being held on an ICE detainer and faces three counts of vehicular homicide.

    “The actions taken by the Defendant while operating a commercial tractor-trailer are both shocking and criminal, FLHSMV Director Dave Kerner said. “Three people lost their lives as a result of his recklessness, and countless friends and family members will experience the pain of their loss forever.”

    https://nypost.com/2025/08/18/us-news/illegal-migrant-suspect-in-deadly-florida-crash-was-nearly-deported-then-allowed-to-stay-after-claiming-he-was-afraid-to-return-to-india/

    Saying yer ‘afraid to return’ is just words. I’ve posted articles where it’s stated flat out these people are coached on stuff like this.

        1. Each year of his lengthy sentence will cost taxpayers upwards of $100K. All of this could’ve been avoided by putting him on a plane to India as soon as he was apprehended.

    1. The saddest thing about that 79% number is those were actual votes cast by Denver voters, not trucked in in the middle of the night.

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