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We Saw The Market Shifting Beneath Our Feet, My Investors Were Caught

A report from Bloomberg on Canada. “Toronto’s condo market showed more signs of cooling in October. ‘Tight downtown condo markets that previously commanded expensive rents are now thick with supply,’ Robert Hogue, an economist with Royal Bank of Canada, wrote. ‘And the flow of immigrants that typically fuel demand for housing of all types has slowed to a trickle. In just months, the landscape of Canadian real estate has been shaken to its core.'”

From Blog TO. “With rents at record lows and supply only growing, it’s never been a better time to rent a condo in Toronto — but buying one, on the other hand, may not be the best investment for the exact same reasons. With thousands of former Airbnbs flooding the long-term rental market due to the health crisis paired with new, tighter restrictions on vacation rentals in the city, it’s not only rents for condominium units that have been dropping, but sale prices, too.”

“It seems that now, investors are scrambling to sell off the buyer’s rights to their condos before the deals close via what are called assignment sales, which are not a common practice in the industry and can either be a sign of a market that is so hot that you can actually make money on such a quick turnaround — or of the opposite: a complete lack of confidence in a precarious market.”

“Negative cash flow disaster for the investor who bought this condo for $922K in 2019 to only be able to rent for $2300. This Toronto condo investment would likely be > $2000/month in neg cash flow (assume 20% down & 1.89% rate). ‘I mean really what’s the point’…#cdnecon pic.twitter.com/J7vg4OFXf8.”

From Global News. “Jaimie Walker figured she couldn’t go wrong owning a condominium in the historic St. Lawrence Market district in downtown Toronto. Then the pandemic hit. ‘It sat there for three months and three people came in, which was shocking,’ she told Global News, referring to the low level of interest when she attempted to lease it.”

“Walker first rented the apartment from its previous owner, then bought it and planned, in turn, to rent it to someone else as a way to earn income. Under ordinary circumstances, the investment plan seemed sound. But now, with nearby office towers nearly empty — downtown workers had fled to suburbs, some moving in with their parents — suddenly rentals were available everywhere.”

“Almost overnight, owning a downtown Toronto condo as an investment plan no longer seemed viable. Neither did the idea of selling the unit, as a flood of other condo investors in a similar situation had tried. ‘It was getting to the point where I’m not going to get what it’s worth pre-COVID,’ Walker said.”

“In no time, a seller’s market for condos had shifted dramatically. ‘It’s totally a buyer’s market,’ said Ari Armani, a real estate broker with Royal Lepage Signature Realty. ‘COVID-19 had a huge effect on downtown Toronto’s prices.'”

“With fewer people needing to work downtown, reduced numbers of foreign students needing accommodation, and almost no new immigration or foreign tourism to fuel short-term rentals, a housing glut had appeared in an area of Toronto with historically high demand.”

“‘All of these factors make the downtown market a vulnerable one,’ said Janet Yao, who owns a Toronto condo apartment as an investment, as do her parents. Both units are up for sale. ‘It’s challenging,’ Yao told Global News, explaining that there is almost no buyer interest in the properties at the moment.”

“So what does this mean for investors who bought condominium apartments thinking they were a safe bet? In the near term, Tom Storey, a sales representative with Royal LePage Signature Realty, cautions investors not to expect the returns they had counted on. ‘I think expectations have to change,’ Storey said, adding that for investors trying to fill their condo apartments, units are still leasing but owners have to adjust their price demands.”

“Jaimie Walker, the woman who initially ran into problems finding a tenant, and then saw the sales market collapse, got lucky. Her boyfriend, a real estate agent, located a buyer for her unit and didn’t even list it on the market. The deal was signed in August and closed in October. Afterward, she saw more desirable units in her building on the market for $100,000 less than the price she accepted. Others, needing to sell, aren’t so fortunate. ‘I do feel for anyone who bought with the intention of it being an investment property,’ she said.”

The Globe and Mail. “Sarah Laird knows some sellers are unloading their condo units in Toronto’s uncertain market, but the owner of a unit on the city’s waterfront doesn’t intend to get sucked into the panic. Still, Ms. Laird is clear-eyed about the challenges the condo segment is facing right now: Like many owners, she is trying to figure out the best strategy for selling in a market with surging inventory and hesitant buyers.”

“Ms. Laird has twice reduced the asking price on her one-plus-one-bedroom unit at Pier 27 since listing the unit on Sept. 30. Her current asking price is $699,000, after starting at $788,800, then reducing to $749,800 two weeks later. In August, two comparable units in the building at 39 Queen’s Quay E., sold for $810,000 and $820,000 respectively. ‘Six weeks and the market changed drastically,’ she says.”

“Ms. Laird and her partner work in the technology sector in the city’s core. The couple had planned to look for a house together in the spring – then the coronavirus pandemic brought the real estate market to a standstill and they put their plans to purchase on hold. When the market picked up again, they listed her partner’s condo at King and Church streets in July. His unit lacked parking and outdoor space, but within two weeks it had sold. ‘That gave us a bit of false confidence,’ Ms. Laird says.”

“When it came time to sell, she had the unit staged and polished, and hung artwork by a local artist. Despite the effort, the unit had about six showings in a month, she says. Real estate agent Manu Singh says his feed is laden with suspensions, terminations and price reductions. ‘I’m just seeing a ton,’ says the agent with Right at Home Realty Inc., in Toronto.”

“In the past two months, Mr. Singh says, the market has been changing weekly as many investors decide to sell. He has been aggressively shifting strategies to keep up. At 650 Queen’s Quay W., he listed Penthouse 18 for sale in September with an asking price of $599,000. He used the common tactic of drawing attention with a low asking price, then holding off offers for seven days. At 39 Sherbourne St., he tried a similar marketing plan for unit 702, with an asking price of $499,000.”

“In both cases, bids landed on offer night, but they were lowballs that the sellers did not accept. ‘We saw the market shifting beneath our feet,’ he says. ‘My investors were caught.'”

“Mr. Singh relisted the Queen’s Quay penthouse for $649,000 and sold it for $625,000 after 25 days on market. The Sherbourne Street unit was relisted for $528,000 and sold for $515,000 after 32 days. Mr. Singh is watching to see if condo listings in downtown Toronto continue to rise at a time of year when they would typically begin to decrease. ‘That would signal to me that investors are starting to freak out.'”

“He expects year-over-year price growth – which was still at a healthy 7.7 per cent for condos in the 416 area code in September – to decrease and possibly flatten. If supply remains high and demand weak, prices will likely fall, he says. ‘This is the calm before the storm,’ he says. ‘It’s a lagging indicator. It takes a few months for prices to adjust.'”

“As for Ms. Laird, she says most of the people who have viewed her waterfront condo appear to be investors looking to take advantage of desperate sellers, but she doesn’t feel that pressure. The couple has not yet purchased a house and they will take the unit off the market rather than cave to lowball bids, she says. She notes the unit is already priced well below what similar units traded for in August.”

“She figures the flight to the suburbs is temporary and that many people – especially young professionals – will still want to live close to downtown. She and her partner would too if they weren’t planning to start a family. ‘The plan right now is not to take any sort of predatory offer that would just be taking advantage,’ Ms. Laird says. ‘We kind of do believe that things will start to return.'”

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  1. ‘Afterward, she saw more desirable units in her building on the market for $100,000 less than the price she accepted. Others, needing to sell, aren’t so fortunate. ‘I do feel for anyone who bought with the intention of it being an investment property’

    No mention of how fooked these recent borrowers are.

    1. Isn’t Canada a non-recourse country? Meaning you can’t just walk away from your debts – the lenders and collection agencies can haunt you to an early grave.

      1. Aren’t most countries like that? I recall reading stories after the previous crash about Europeans being hounded for mortgage debts after foreclosures.

        1. It is. “Recourse” refers to what the bank can do, not what the FB can do. In a recourse state or country, it’s the bank that has recourse to pursue debts beyond the initial collateral.

  2. ‘She notes the unit is already priced well below what similar units traded for in August…‘The plan right now is not to take any sort of predatory offer that would just be taking advantage’

    That’s right Sarah, hold yer ground, don’t give it away!

    1. “Predatory offer”? Sarah, while you’re too stupid to realize it, those lowball offers are as good as it’s going to get for you as the cratering accelerates.

    2. ‘The plan right now is not to take any sort of predatory offer that would just be taking advantage’

      Then why is it on the market, Sarah? That’s right, because you HAVE to sell.

  3. ‘And the flow of immigrants that typically fuel demand for housing of all types has slowed to a trickle.

    The globalist Quisling Trudeau is trying to “fix” that by accelerating Canada’s “fundamental transformation.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-30/trudeau-ratchets-up-immigration-targets-to-boost-recovery?sref=ibr3A0ff

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is looking to attract 401,000 new permanent residents next year, part of an ambitious plan to spur Canada’s economic recovery by bringing in workers.

    The new targets, unveiled on Friday by Immigration Minister Marco Mendicino, represent an increase of 50,000 people from the pre-Covid goal of 351,000 announced in March.

    1. Its even more drastic than that. It might work out – or it might be a further drain on the social services. Many temp workers are making near minimum wage – think nannies, farm workers, some construction etc. What is 20% of these are laid off due to the pandemic?

      —
      “Canada announced plans last week to make it easier for the more than 1 million temporary students, workers and asylum seekers now living in the country to become permanent residents, giving them a path to citizenship. In an interview Monday, Immigration Minister Marco Mendicino said it’s the logical way forward to make up for a decline in foreigners moving to Canada during the pandemic.”

  4. “With rents at record lows and supply only growing, it’s never been a better time to rent a condo in Toronto — but buying one, on the other hand, may not be the best investment for the exact same reasons.

    Oh dear. How do you expect Toronto realtors to drum up a false sense of urgency with gloom & doom comments like that?

  6. “‘All of these factors make the downtown market a vulnerable one,’ said Janet Yao, who owns a Toronto condo apartment as an investment, as do her parents.

    Gosh, I sure hope Janet and her parents don’t get vulnered.

  7. Can anybody explain to me what this rocketship DOW is all about? My gawd, it’s gone parabolic the last 3 days. Look at what it’s doing right now. Unreal.

    1. Wall Street is rejoicing that it’s hand-picked stooge, Joe Biden, appears to have a lock on the election. That means the rate of debt issuance is going to go parabolic, which is stock market positive even as it means the decimation of the middle class and greasing the skids for our one-way descent into banana republic. Remember, the stock markets in Zimbabwe and Venezuela shot up meteorically as the corrupt regimes there were debasing the country into worthlessness and looting the wealth of the countries for redistribution to their cronies and supporters.

        1. I looked at the WSJ this morning and remaining counts are looking good.

          Can you expand on this a bit, please?

          1. Biden has it in the bag. The fix is in. The globalists were never going to let something as important as installing the most compliant stooge be decided by the voters.

          3. So, Ben’s info notwithstanding, does anyone have a survival guide for living in a socialist globalist society? What should I expect? Half my food coming from Mexico and the other half from China? Homeless migrants on the sidewalk outside my house? Deadbeats with kids making as much in UBI as I do, despite no education or work experience? Double the taxes and half the healthcare? DOW 50,000? $18/lb ground beef?

        1. The stock market can’t crash as long as the Fed keeps expanding its balance sheet, and making plentiful liquidity available to keep interbank lending from locking up. But at some point the rapidly decaying collateral underpinning all those massive CRE and residential loan portfolios is going to overwhelm the Fed’s ability to keep kicking the can.

          1. Wait Boo, isn’t that socialism? I mean we’ve had 4 years of it under Trump. Sure there were 8 years under Obama and 8 more before that under Bush and 8 more before that under Clinton and only a tiny break for Bush 41. Oh shit, they’re all socialists!

        2. My financial advisor expects a major selloff before year end if Biden wins in anticipation of a capital gains tax increase next year.

          1. Yep, if Biden is declared the winner. That’s a big if which won’t happen for at least a month.
            _IF_ that happens, I’d definitely have to sell off at least that which will keep me below the obamacare medicare surtax of %3.8 percent on income over $200k. Also would have to pay state capital gains tax – unless I’d acquire a permanent address elsewhere before the end of the year.
            Unghhh.

  8. “Sarah Laird knows some sellers are unloading their condo units in Toronto’s uncertain market, but the owner of a unit on the city’s waterfront doesn’t intend to get sucked into the panic.

    I hope the Globe & Mail revisits this greedhead in about six months so she can share with us how well “not getting sucked into the panic” worked out for her. Remember, Sarah: she who panics first, panics best.

  9. “In the past two months, Mr. Singh says, the market has been changing weekly as many investors decide to sell. He has been aggressively shifting strategies to keep up.

    Shifting strategies? Lying to clients in this environment is futile, Mr. Singh, so there’s only one strategy left for realtors and greedhead sellers: sawin’ and slashin’ to catch down to the cratering market.

  11. She figures the flight to the suburbs is temporary and that many people – especially young professionals – will still want to live close to downtown.

    Do your feelings tell you that, Ms. Laird? Because the data says something different, and the cratering is intensifying by the day.

    1. Live close to downtown… and do what? Reverse commute? Office space is being sawed and slashed worse than condos. Work-from-Mumbai is becoming trendy.

  12. “Ms. Laird has twice reduced the asking price on her one-plus-one-bedroom unit at Pier 27 since listing the unit on Sept. 30. Her current asking price is $699,000, after starting at $788,800, then reducing to $749,800 two weeks later. In August, two comparable units in the building at 39 Queen’s Quay E., sold for $810,000 and $820,000 respectively. ‘Six weeks and the market changed drastically,’ she says.”

    Oh double Dear

    1. What I thought was weird was a month ago Democrat talking heads were saying that it will look like Trump won, but Biden will win in the end.

      Now, how can you make such a claim like that so far ahead of time if you didn’t know about something planned?

      1. Maybee it was that Vermont $ocialist “hell.bent Burny” out to de$troy America!

        NEWS
        Bernie Sanders predicted what would happen on election night a week ago on ‘Jimmy Fallon’
        Sanders commented on Trump’s decision to declare an early win, despite evidence proving otherwise

        By Ella Kemp / 4th November 2020

        Bernie Sanders predicted what would happen on election night last week, in conversation with Jimmy Fallon.

        The talk show host asked the Senator what the world can expect in terms of when the final results might come in, taking into account the United States’ complex voting system.

        He went on to predict that Trump would make an early attempt at claiming victory – with his prediction ringing true this morning, when Trump confirmed he would seek Supreme Court action to prevent the further counting of votes.

        “Although the election is November 3rd, and it’s been said that we won’t know the results until days later, when do you think we’ll know the results?” Fallon asked Sanders.

        The politician went on to explain why it might take time for the votes to be properly counted. “For reasons which I don’t have the time to get into tonight, you’re going to have a situation, I suspect, in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, other states, where they are going to be receiving huge amounts of mail-in ballots.”

        He continued: “And unlike states like Florida or Vermont, they’re not able for bad reasons to begin processing those ballots until Election Day or maybe when the polls close. That means you’re going to have states dealing with perhaps millions of mail-in ballots.

        “Here is my worry. What polls show, and what studies have shown, is that, for whatever reason, Democrats are more likely to use mail-in ballots. Republicans are more likely to walk into polling booths on Election Day. It is likely that the first votes that will be counted will be those people who came in on Election Day, which will be Republican.”

        Bernie Sanders continued: “And here is the fear – and I hope everybody hears it – it could well be, you know, I don’t know what’s going to happen, nobody does. But it could well be that, at 10 o’clock on election night, Trump is winning in Michigan, he’s winning in Pennsylvania, he’s winning in Wisconsin, and he gets on the television and he says ‘Thank you Americans for re-electing me. It’s all over, have a good day.’

  13. Tattoo shops in 47 states and the District of Colombia report a dramatic increase in customers coming in, relating tales of woe revolving around overpaying for cratering real estate, and requesting tattoos on their foreheads which state: “Realtors are liars.”

      1. From the comments: “If Trump wins re-election, it’s on white people. No one else.”

        Yeah, so let’s go beat down a bunch of white people and burn down their businesses to punish them.

          1. No, it’s on white suburban women, and the seniors they got with the fear . mongering.
            But, hard to believe the ballots weren’t tampered with .

      2. Saw a video on Twitter of someone burning roughly 80 ballots for Trump and saying if you work with the mail or at a polling station “you gotta do whatcha gotta do.”

    2. Protestors interfered with planned press conference from Trump campaign in Philadelphia. Delayed.

    1. It is a historically libertarian-type Republican state. Barry Goldwater, et all. And Trump is a crony capitalist.

      They just legalized recreational pot at the same time.

      1. You did not answer the question. Why was it parked in Biden’s corner so quickly? I think we know the answer – the media was doing the best they possibly could to portray Biden as the runaway winner at every juncture possible.

          1. The whole thing is so obviously fraudulent that it’s sickening. Trump had MASSIVE leads in all those states and they were widening, then boom, no more Trump votes coming in and massive surges for Biden. It was like a gap up in the stock market. They had this planned.

        2. And it was Faux News that did that. The mealy-mouthed pr*cks Chris Wallace, Brit Hume, Juan Williams and bimbos Martha McCallum and Dana Perino should be broken on the wheel. “Fair and Balanced.”

          1. broken on the wheel

            Wow, I haven’t heard that metaphor in a LONG time. Eamonn is referring to a Catherine Wheel, used as an instrument of torture in the Middle Ages. Usually it was a regular wagon wheel. It was believed that the torture wasn’t sinful if it didn’t draw blood, so the executioner usually just bashed you with the wheel and broke your bones, all without breaking the skin or drawing blood.

          2. IIRC, that crew at Fox News were Bush-luvvin neocons of the variety that wanted to “secure the realm” for Israel. I’m sure they were never-Trumpers.

        3. Yup, that’s why they called Virginia the minute the polls closed with less than 1% of the vote — to make it look like a landslide in the making.

          The news stations had some justification calling VA early. In 2016, Virginia was leaning Trump. Later on, as the blue counties in NoVa reported, Clinton pulled ahead. So this year, when they called VA with no vote reported, I thought to myself: “They know about those blue counties. VA is Dem, okay move on.”

          Those devious news stations almost had me fooled.

          But this year, Trump was pretty evenly ahead the entire night, even as the vote count reached 95%, after all the blue counties had reported. Instead of pointing this out, the news said NOTHING about this. No stories on the NYT; nothing on the news channels. You’re going to tell me that Chuck Todd, who lives and breathes election results, forgot to mention Virginia? Or that Fox News, that wingnut bogeyman that the liberals like to beat us over the head with every damn day, would not notice that Trump was still ahead in VA? No effing way. Somebody told them all to keep quiet, and concentrate on Georgia and paths for Biden in Arizona and Nevada.

          Then somebody “found” 250,000 Biden votes in VA. I was looking right at the AP website when that green arrow showed up next to “Biden” and those votes changed from Trump up 50,000 to Biden up 200,000. And I was watching a prepper YouTube livestream when they “found” more votes in VA. Even the preppers said — “OK here we go, here comes the fix.” Nobody is being fooled here.

          Even if Biden somehow takes office, know that this country will never trust the media or mail-in votes for a generation. Not everyone is incapacitated by TDS. My guess at least half of the Biden voters were nose-holders and are still clear-headed enough to see that this is all SUS AF.

          1. still clear-headed enough to see that this is all SUS AF

            https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1324052877757706241: I have a liberal friend who is very bright and funny. I really like him a lot. Naturally we banter about politics. He texted this today: “What’s so strange to me is how could Trump win Ohio by that margin and not win Wisconsin and Michigan? There is no logical way to explain it.”

    1. Tim Murtaugh: “You are going to see the tightening” of Arizona tonight

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-esZhIzosM

      Says there are over 600,000 “late-early” votes to be counted. These would be like mine, early mail voting which I walked into the polling station. I did that cuz we heard there was bull chit going on with the post office, etc. Says Trumps was polling 60% of such votes. Vote gap is less than 100,000 currently.

      2. Comments

        Trina Porter
        2 hours ago
        – Fairfax Virginia has switched 100,000 from Trump to Biden staying a “clerical error”
        – Wisconsin suddenly discovers over 112k Biden ballots between 3:30am and 4:30am
        – Nevada has decided they won’t have all vote counts in until Thursday
        – Michigan has gained 138,339 ballots for Biden since they stopped counting last night. A whopping ZERO for Trump **sniffles**
        – SIX states Trump has sizable leads, all six states decided to stop counting ballots on election night (unheard of) and they all have blue strong holds
        – North Carolina has 100% of precincts counted with Trump in the clear and it’s not being called

        You don’t think we are watching a LIVE scam before our eyes???
        Trump 2020!!!

        1. “Wisconsin voter turnout by year:

          2000 – 67.01%
          2004 – 73.24%
          2008 – 69.20%
          2012 – 70.14%
          2016 – 67.34%
          2020 – 89.25%

          TOTALLY believable LOLOLOLOL

          They’re stealing this!”

          2. There’s no way in hell that any state could deliver and 89% voter turnout rate. The real question is what is the method of this fraud that Wisconsin just perpetrated? Fake ballots?

        2. – Fairfax Virginia has switched 100,000 from Trump to Biden staying a “clerical error”

          Good. At least someone besides me is looking at Virginia.

  23. Look at what’s going on in PA. The “88% reporting” number is unchanged, yet the vote gap is rapidly closing. Biden is only trailing by 192,000 now. It seems the Dems can just manufacture votes out of thin air, and no gap is too big to overcome.

  24. Alaska has not voted for a Dem in my lifetime, and Trump has a massive lead with 50% reporting, yet nobody gives Trump Alaska. LMFAO. This is so transparent.

      1. Nope we don’t. Can’t trust anyone. Not even your neighbors….While denouncing soviets, we have turned into one, sadly.

        For me it starts with money. Money = people’s labor.

        When a society devalues people’s hard work at the whim of central bankers’ to benefit their cronies, nothing will matter. Can’t trust no one.

      2. “High Trust Society,”

        For God Sakes, you got 24/7 fake news, and outright suppression of valid news now. Suppression of opposite opinion to their fake narratives.(whatever happened to freedom of speech). Cancel culture and punishment to decenters from their false and silly narratives.
        They took over the school system so good brainwashing could evolve.
        Reverse discrimination against whites, targeted at men, with the false white privilege narrative. This is so Commie.
        Biden, a compromised bride taker from Foreign Countries ,who was Pro China and Pro Globalist, who belongs in a nursing home, wins the election because he’s going to advance a evil that knows no bounds.
        To many bribed creeps running.
        The looter Commie rioters were probably hired to be the poll workers..
        FBI higher ups commiting a obvious fraud with the Russian Hoax.
        Oh, and the most corrupt Politicians at 78 is going to bring this Country together, being Joe Biden.
        What he means is that more than half the Country is going to be forced into compliance by this corrupt takeover .

  26. James O’Keefe
    @JamesOKeefeIII
    BREAKING: Michigan
    @USPS
    Whistleblower Details Directive From Superiors: Back-Date Late Mail-In-Ballots As Received November 3rd, 2020 So They Are Accepted

    “Separate them from standard letter mail so they can hand stamp them with YESTERDAY’S DATE & put them through”

    https://twitter.com/jamesokeefeiii?lang=en

    1. I think Trump won. But now I’m actually questioning the timing of Covid-19.
      The fact that Biden/Harris didn’t campaign hardly at all, low crowds turning out does not translate to this win . No blue wave with the polls coming close to projections.
      I was thinking about all this money put in the election and that could buy a lot of fraud regarding poll workers.
      This using of Covid-19 to justify changing voting rules for mail in , it all reeks.
      All of it reeks of a rigged election. The fact that the Dems predicted way ahead of time how all these odd election events would play out. Suppression of viable evidence of corruction by Joe Biden. The Russian Hoax another contrived fraud, along with the bogus absurd impeachment.
      I believe that they wanted the Commie puppet Harris from day one but she couldn’t get any traction .So bring her in the back door.
      Than you got the Commie Looters and Covid 19 as the fear mongering false narrative.
      I have said that these powers already took over and the push back by Trump voters was not acceptable to this total hijacking of our Government . It’s worse than a Swamp in DC, because it’s a all out effort to hijack all institutions, including the Judicial.
      It’s really a sad day , because this election was rigged. . The forces that did this are evil wanting to take all power from the people, while they maintain their rigged markets, monopolies and Globalist top down control in cohoots with corrupt government.
      Based on the above, it possible that Covid 19 was released on purpose to wreak the Trump economy.

      1. “All of it reeks of a rigged election.”

        Trump Supporters Question Why Absentee Ballots Were Filed For People Up to 120 Years Old

        by Paul Joseph Watson
        November 5th 2020, 8:24 am

        On election night, President Trump was ahead in Michigan but his lead was wiped out after huge numbers of late mail in ballots went for Biden.

        In addition to numerous other claims of vote fraud, attention is now focused on why people are almost certainly dead had ballots filed in their name.

        Trump supporter Austin Fletcher posted screenshots of the information from Michigan’s voter database.

        Essential Fleccas 🇺🇸
        @fleccas
        Turns out 118 year old “William Bradley” voted via absentee ballot in Wayne County, Michigan. William Bradley died in 1984.

        How long has this been going on?

        Try it for yourself:
        https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/Index

        “Turns out 118 year old “William Bradley” voted via absentee ballot in Wayne County, Michigan. William Bradley died in 1984. How long has this been going on?” he asked.

        Another person named June Aiken voted in Jackson County, Michigan. She was born in 1900, making her 120 years old.

        Another woman named Donna Brydges, born in 1901, also apparently voted via absentee ballot in Mason County, Michigan.

        “Someone in law enforcement needs to visit these addresses and find out wth is going on,” commented California Committeewoman Harmeet K. Dhillon.

        The Trump campaign has already filed lawsuits in several states but the media is set to declare Joe Biden the winner anyway.

        1. “Try it for yourself:”

          Well I did. Went to….

          https://twitter.com/fleccas?lang=en

          scrolled down got William Bradley’s info typed it in and son of a beach…

          City Of Detroit, Wayne County

          Yes, you are registered!
          Elections calendar
          Election date Election description Ballot preview
          11/3/2020 State General

      2. All of it reeks of a rigged election.

        I don’t know. But I am keeping in mind that this is what the CIA does for a living and last I checked they were part of the swamp.

  28. I am sure there are others too, but just look…Amerikka is beyond fooked. This is worse than Banana republic.

    Iraq War
    2008/9 Bailout
    Democratic Primary 2016
    Russia Hoax
    Trump Impeachment
    Corona Hoax
    Biden Selection 2020

    1. Another point is that guys like Michael Savage are being taken off the radio in spite of a huge following. Who is on the list next to be taken out in spite of how popular they are, is Tucker Carlson on their hit list. They are already erasing tweets and posts.
      A total control of the narrative is evident, as well as a one party control of the Gov. , being the wacko Dems.
      Also if Biden really won, you wouldn’t of got Republicans picking up seats in the house and the Senate held.

      So, I think Trump needs help from the people that voted for him to rebel against being robbed by crooked creeps.

      1. I guess one thing would be to look at the “found” ballots and see if there are marks for all the down-ticket races. If the ballots are filled in for Biden and nothing else, that alone is going to be an issue.

        1. Don’t think they will let anyone look at the “found” ballots.

          Even if they did, they are not going to find anything examining the ballots. How hard is to check dems for all options? Most people vote that anyway.

          1. It takes time to fill in all those ovals, and if someone needs to fill out a couple hundred thousand of them…

            I’m still not seeing anything about Virginia. Clinton did win by 5% in 2016, so my guess is that Biden probably won VA too, but by a much lower margin. Perhaps the Trump campaign had some internal numbers showing that.

            Anyway, I would gladly shut up about a Biden win in exchange for getting rid of the censorship, fake news, and cancel culture. In the end, those are far more dangerous than four years of Biden/Harris.

          2. I’m still not seeing anything about Virginia.

            I’m sure the Trump campaign is choosing their legal battles wisely. Pam Bondi’s experience as former FL attorney general has to be coming in handy.

          3. Anyway, I would gladly shut up about a Biden win in exchange for getting rid of the censorship, fake news, and cancel culture.

            I would expect those to get a lot worse should he manage to steal the election. I have lived in a one party country. It wasn’t pretty. You learn to keep your mouth shut.

        2. Spot on oxide that a ballot that only fills in the President race would look fraudulent. It would explain why Republicans gained seats and held Senate.

      2. “Also if Biden really won, you wouldn’t of got Republicans picking up seats in the house and the Senate held.”

        Ding Ding Ding Ding

      3. So, I think Trump needs help from the people that voted for him to rebel against being robbed by crooked creeps.

        This isn’t about Trump anymore. It’s a choice of whether we want to accept living in a corrupt, one-party socialist banana republic.

      4. “So, I think Trump needs help from the people that voted for him to rebel against being robbed by crooked creeps.”

        After hearing a local CBS TV News reporter say when President Trump is done with his temper tantrum (speaking of the recount) Biden will be president I called, gave the woman who answered the phone a few facts like the ones being discussed here about election night, suggested a little research would turn these thigs up with very little effort and told her the local news had joined the MSM in losing all credibility. She tried to counter with if you watch our news regularly then you know we show both sides at which point I politely cut her off, explained the video below (which she remembered her station doing but didn’t know about the video below) politely told her the only thing I would believe from them was the weather and local crime stories, politely wished her a good day and hung up after she told me she would pass on my views to the station manager.

        https://youtu.be/hWLjYJ4BzvI

      5. is Tucker Carlson on their hit list

        He’s already had to sell a home because of “peaceful protesters.”

  31. A, TX, NY, FL…all the largest states by population get their results in just fine the night of. Only the swing states can’t count without using their fingers. SURE.

    1. Yep. Something about that, isn’t it?

      The whole mail-in vote is nothing but a farce….and you know who it benefits….

      1. I don’t know if getting exposed for ballot fraud is a benefit. Especially considering its a federal crime and felony.

        1. Nah…there will be no punishment. It will drag on for decades even if something were to happen. Do you honestly trust FBI to do it’s job?

          2. The Deep State is flexing every muscle it has.

            Of course. On Tuesday evening, Biden had no prayer in the world. He was hugely behind in Wisconsin, Michigan, PA, Virginia, Georgia and NC. Then nightfall came and that all changed. Millions of votes poured in in all of these states, miraculously for Joe The Sniffer, not DJT. He closed all of the gaps. ALL OF THEM.

            He went from 300k behind in MI to a slam dunk win. Ditto for WI. He ran away with VA and located hundreds of thousands of mysterious ballots in Georgia to bring himself within a whisper of DJT. And then there’s PA – he was behind almost a million, and now that gap has shrunken to 75,000 with another 11% of the ballots still to count. Need we even mention who the lions’ share of those will undoubtedly be counted for?

            Everything has completely reversed course and come up roses for Biden. Every single scenario he needed to happen came to fruition, with every single bad scenario for DJT doing the same. It’s like a miracle. Really. It’s kind of like that notorious round of golf that Kim Jong Il played, where he had 5 holes in one. And everybody of course knows that was legit…

  32. Ok, now I just heard people reporting that when they went to the poll in person they were told they already voted, when they had not yet.( Of course they were Trump voters that were deprived of their vote)

    Also I’m sure you heard about the suppression of poll watchers on counting using Covid 19 as the excuse.

  34. 🙂

    Andy Ngo

    110K subscribers

    On election night in Portland (3 Nov., 2020), hundreds of BLM-antifa protesters shut down the streets of a residential area of southeast Portland, Ore. They confronted people at their homes. In one instance, they stopped outside the home of a couple with a “Biden Harris” sign, accusing them of white supremacy. They then rob another man of his phone for recording them.

    https://youtu.be/mgC8zWoZlF8

    1. “That’s my Biden sign. Don’t destroy anything. Be peaceful.”

      “No one cares about your white @ss opinion.”

      “Who do you think you are telling black people how to protest? You f###ing white @ss privilege old man.”

      “Asking for people to be peaceful is white supremacy!”

      LMAO

      1. “Asking for people to be peaceful is white supremacy!”

        I’m waiting for “statistical analysis of voting records is DEFINITELY white supremacy!”

      2. “Who do you think you are telling black people how to protest? You f###ing white @ss privilege old man.”

        “I’ve got your ‘white @ass privilege right here, motherf***er, come and get it.” *pulls out 10mm from doorstep*

    2. a couple with a “Biden Harris” sign, accusing them of white supremacy.

      These must be the same people who pulled down the statue of US Grant.

  35. Killer, if true.
    There have been rumors regarding watermarked ballots. I usually avoid Alex Jones affiliated outlets, but this is too good:
    TRUMP STING w CIA Director Steve Pieczenik The Biggest Election Story in History, QFS-BLOCKCHAIN • 404 views • Nov 5, 2020
    youtube.com/watch?v=qK3yQHHoHEA

    1. The first problem I have with that link is that guy was never “CIA Director.” Not sure why they are saying that.

    2. Thanks for posting. BTW, I don’t have a problem with Infowars links. I’m surprised it’s still on youtube given the purge.

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