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A report from the Los Angeles Times in California. “In the 90210 ZIP Code, based on 30 sales, the median price for single-family homes in September was $4.518 million, down 27.1% year over year, according to CoreLogic.”

The San Diego Downtown News in California. “Despite a slight decrease in rents since the pandemic began and new regulations, San Diego remains an enticing market for real estate investment. Council member Chris Ward said Downtown has long seen a reverse commute from residents in Downtown going to Carmel Valley and other areas each day for their jobs. As the industry grows, he is not concerned that housing those professionals could exacerbate the housing crisis.”

“‘We have an abundance of luxury housing Downtown that’s already built, some of which — it’s really difficult to pin down the number — may not even be filled right now, don’t even have residents down there. So we don’t see a net replacement of affordable housing units that are in the Downtown area,’ Ward said.”

From Socket Site in California. “While the vacancy rate for larger, multi-unit apartment buildings in San Francisco had ticked up to around 6 percent in the second quarter of the year, representing around 9,000 vacant units as of the end of June, said rate was approaching 9 percent based on a review of 3,000 units, spread across ten buildings, that we compiled last month. The average vacancy rate in those same ten buildings is now over 10 percent and climbing, with the vacancy rate in one big building, which had been fully occupied, having jumped from 5 percent to 16 percent over the past month and on-track for ‘a vacancy rate of 20 percent by the end of November,’ as we projected last month.”

“Rising vacancy rates continue to drive rents and investment property revenues down, with the average asking rent for a one-bedroom in San Francisco having dropped to under $2,800 a month for the first time since 2013 and the weighted average asking rent for an apartment in the city already down 23 percent on a year-over-year basis and 27 percent below the markets 2015-era peak.”

From WTOP. “Bethesda, Maryland-based JBG Smith, one of the largest owners of commercial real estate in the Washington region, posted a quarterly loss, largely from COVID-19-related rent deferrals for office and retail tenants and other pandemic-related expenses. JBG Smith owns almost 21 million square feet of office, apartment and retail real estate in the Washington region, including Amazon’s current and future HQ2 buildings in Arlington.”

“The company posted a quarterly net loss of $22.8 million, compared to net income of $9.4 million for the same quarter a year ago. It said results were impacted by $14.8 million associated with the COVID-19 pandemic, including lower occupancy, lower rents, higher operating costs and rent concessions and deferrals. Funds from operations, a measure of income that better reflects financials of real estate companies, was $32.4 million, down from $45.6 million in the same quarter a year ago.”

From Boston.com in Massachusetts. “Although Cambridge’s median rent has dropped 15 percent year over year, the city remained the most expensive community for renters in October, according to a report the online real estate site Zumper released Wednesday. Brookline ranked second (down 10 percent), and Boston, which saw a 12.6 percent decrease, was third. The city that experienced the biggest year-over-year price drop was Revere (18.1 percent), while Lynn and Brockton posted the biggest jumps, 15.7 percent and 15.6 percent respectively.”

“From September to October, however, the median rent in Brockton fell 6 percent, the biggest month-over-month drop in the cities surveyed, followed by Lowell (5.3 percent) and Waltham and Revere, which were down 5.1 percent.”

From Bisnow on Texas. “Occupancy and rental rates held firm in Dallas-Fort Worth in October as landlords relied more heavily on concessions to attract tenants, new data from ApartmentData shows. The October 2020 data shows rather than rental rate declines, apartment operators in every product type leaned more heavily on concessions to attract renters.”

“Across the Metroplex, 312,980 apartment units, or 41% of all inventory, offered concessions last month either in the form of move-in specials, months of free rent or floor-plan offers from operators. About 60% of all Class-A inventory, or 139,000 units, came with concessions last month, followed by 38% and 33% of Class-B and Class-C inventory, respectively.”

From My Northwest in Washington. “Four Yakima County landlords suing Governor Inslee with the support of the Washington Business Properties Association in the latest lawsuit over his pandemic eviction moratorium say the emergency order is devastating for mom-and-pop property owners. The federal lawsuit seeks injunctive relief from the moratorium. This comes after a similar lawsuit was filed in Seattle last month.”

“Yakima property owner Enrique Jevons, one of the plaintiffs, derives his sole income from his 88 rental units. He said more than 10% of his renters are paying less than they owe. While those who have been affected financially by the pandemic have been great about working out a payment plan, he said a couple of people who do have jobs are taking advantage of the blanket moratorium.”

“‘Unfortunately, the way the governor’s order is written, we do have a couple of people who are just flat-out not paying,’ Jevons said. ‘One person in particular simply told us, ‘I’m not going to pay because I don’t have to pay.’ And that individual is still employed.'”

“He said he is not getting any breaks in property taxes or mortgages, as forbearance programs apply to individual homeowners rather than landlords. He fears if the eviction moratorium goes on much longer and he has to go many more months with this reduced income, his properties will go into foreclosure. ‘I’m becoming very fearful of being put out on the street, losing my properties,’ he said.”

From Block Club Chicago in Illinois. “West Side legislators invited housing leaders, tenants and landlords to a virtual forum to discuss possible solutions to the looming crisis. Landlord Serethea Reid said she’s been put in a pinch by the moratorium and is at risk of not being able to afford her mortgage since she’s not getting any income from several tenants. ‘I’m definitely understanding. People need to have housing, I fully understand that. Yet I can’t survive people not paying me for a year,’ Reid said.”

From CTV News in Canada. “A Newmarket, Ont. man says he is ‘couch surfing’ at a friend’s home and sleeping in his truck because the woman who is renting his house refuses to pay rent and leave. ‘I am homeless because I have a tenant who is in my home in defiance of a N-12 properly served through the Landlord and Tenant Board. That’s paperwork that says I need the house back for my purposes,’ Brown said.”

“Nana Boateng of Alliston, Ont. bought a condo as an investment to rent out. Boateng said the tenant hasn’t paid the rent in seven months and now he just wants to sell it, but the tenant won’t leave or let potential buyers in to see the unit. ‘She is refusing to move out again and it is quite unfortunate. These tenants are almost being professional these days and COVID-19 has made it worse,’ Boateng said.”

“Frustrated landlords in Sudbury held a protest last week over hearing delays at the Landlord and Tenant Board. ‘We are not heartless, we are not wanting to throw the people (out) who are poor. We are trying to evict people who are not paying because they don’t want to pay,’ Sudbury landlord Carole Legault said.”

“According to Kayla Andrade of Ontario Landlords Watch, a landlord advocacy group, the current backlog at the Landlord and Tenant Board has become ‘a mess. ‘Landlords are at a loss for words … they can’t get someone out of their home, who is also damaging their home and preventing them from selling their property,’ Andrade said.”

From CBC News in Canada. “In the wake of COVID-19, real estate experts say more and more people are leaving prime Toronto neighbourhoods in search of more space. The exodus is one of the reasons why there are more rental units on the market, real estate experts say. New third quarter numbers from the Toronto Real Estate Board (TREB) show there are now 113 per cent more units available for lease on the market than in the third quarter of last year, when there were 16,350 units up for rent. Now there are nearly 35,000 available in the Greater Toronto Area.”

“Most renters now have their pick of units, says Corey Ash, a real estate agent with North Group who has been focusing on rental properties for the last two years. ‘Landlords are giving incentives; they’re offering tenants one month free,’ said Ash. ‘Last year, I’d be going into bidding wars for my clients.'”

“The smaller 500-square-foot units are also getting harder to rent. Ash says two-bedroom condos and apartments are more appealing since people are looking for the extra space. ‘Clients are finding two-bedrooms for a little more than what they would have paid for a nice one-bedroom last year,’ said Ash.”

“Real estate agent Ivana Rezo says one-bedroom units are still moving on the market, but only if they’re on the bigger side and have something extra to offer like a view, storage or a large outdoor space. The ones that don’t are staying on the market for months at a time. Prices have also gone down for one-bedroom units across the city. TREB’s numbers show that this time last year, the average one-bedroom was going for $2,262, whereas now they’re renting for $2,012.”

“The new short-term listing regulations that came into effect in September are also affecting the rental market, since those would-be Airbnb units are now being listed as long-term rentals, says Rezo. In addition to that, immigration has ground to a halt due to the pandemic. ‘Usually, during the summer, I was getting a lot of clients moving into the core because they were coming here to study, whether it was undergrad or post-grad,’ said Rezo. ‘Now, there’s no one. I used to also lease out some of my rental properties to people coming to work in the city on movie sets; that’s also dried up.'”

“In high-demand areas like Liberty Village, King West and Corktown, condos are still going up and the investors who bought properties are starting to list them on the rental market, adding to the sizeable pandemic inventory. That means rents will keep dropping if the situation doesn’t change. So what’s the future hold for Toronto’s once soaring rental market?”

“John Pasalis, president of Realosophy Realty, says it depends on several different factors. ‘How long [the pandemic] lasts, how low rents go and how well financed investors are,’ said Pasalis. ‘Some investors are going to be forced to sell, and condo sales are already down in Toronto.'”

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  1. ‘In the 90210 ZIP Code, based on 30 sales, the median price for single-family homes in September was $4.518 million, down 27.1% year over year’

    When I was studying accounting, we often discussed estimates. Despite what seems like black and white numbers on a page, there are several elements that accountants have to estimate. It’s just the nature of it. In these discussions, professors would say, “if an estimate says 10%, it almost certainly isn’t 10%, because it’s an estimate. It is probably higher or lower, but the chance of it being exactly 10% is slim.”

    So when a median is reported down 27%, it probably isn’t exactly 27%. It is likely higher or lower. For some reason the REIC doesn’t talk about statistical effects much.

    2. “For some reason the REIC doesn’t talk about statistical effects much.”

      They don’t have to when there’s the comparable(s).

    3. Movoto says prices are up 15% to $5,495,000 YOY. Something fishy going on with the numbers. Did you notice Realtor.com has a NEW tab? Foreclosures.

  2. ‘Clients are finding two-bedrooms for a little more than what they would have paid for a nice one-bedroom last year’

    That’s the spirit!

    ‘In high-demand areas like Liberty Village, King West and Corktown, condos are still going up and the investors who bought properties are starting to list them on the rental market, adding to the sizeable pandemic inventory. That means rents will keep dropping if the situation doesn’t change. So what’s the future hold for Toronto’s once soaring rental market?’

    Golly, I hope no one overpaid in the once soaring market!

    1. I am temporarily living in Liberty Village. 4 new condo towers (one 44 stories) are being finished and new owners (or their tenants) are or will be moving in.

      The game plan was to put 5-8% deposit down 2 years ago – and when it was time to take possession, it would have appreciated at least 20% in the thinking. So free money. So after the peak condo prices in summer 2019, they are suffering. Imagine what happens next fall if banks, insurance companies allow workers to be remote

  3. ‘Across the Metroplex, 312,980 apartment units, or 41% of all inventory, offered concessions last month’

    You have to wonder if this means well over half a million are vacant?

    1. I have it on good authority – the REIC media shills – that shadow inventory is a conspiracy theory.

  4. ‘How long [the pandemic] lasts, how low rents go and how well financed investors are…Some investors are going to be forced to sell, and condo sales are already down in Toronto’

    You can see what’s developing here. We’ve read in the past week, some of these people are cash negative 2,000 Canadian pesos a month. Lenders have pulled up the bridge in a variety of ways. Force to sell to who?

    2. How long the pandemic lasts…

      I’ll just put in another plug for 15-minute tests and Ivermectin. It appears the globalists intend to rob us of everything while we sit here waiting for a vaccine, and waiting for a vaccine, and waiting for a vaccine.

      1. Yes oxide I think you nailed it because it was always about using Covid-19 to achieve political objectives. I wouldn’t be surprised if this man made virus wasn’t released on purpose to achieve their goals. The timing of it was just a little to weird. But, that how sinister this could be.
        What was interesting to me was how brilliant good Doctors started objecting to the narratives, and they got suppressed from a voice.

        1. Thanks. I do not think this virus was intentionally unleashed. But I think there was an immediate and concerted effort to not let the crisis go to waste, so to speak. It still bothers me that the media has said “there is no home treatment,” when I’ve discussed several, repeatedly. And btw, those treatments are widely used in other countries. But somehow in the greatest country in the world, the only treatment appears to be an expensive hospital stay. What a co-inky-dink.

          I am still optimistic that this globalist initiative will ultimately fail. They wanted a docile populace glued to the curated content on Twitter or the newly-corrupted Fox News. Instead, they over-exposed themselves and now find that populace anything but docile. Doctors are ignoring the politics and using every tool they have, FDA or no. The right-wing has already moved on from Fox News. Competitors to Twitter and Youtube are already in place. Are the globalists prepared to play whack-a-mole with the opposition?

          1. Thanks. I do not think this virus was intentionally unleashed.

            I do. And it was made in a Chinese lab. Now we have China Joe in charge, and he will bend over and kiss the feet of China as they pound him and the US raw. Because he and his family will become fantastically wealthy for it. Most don’t want a revolution. I do. We’re too far gone to save things without one.

          2. oxide,
            Let’s face it, the medical cartel has known for years that vitiamin D was vital for immune function. But, expensive drugs are profit, and cheap vitiamin D , or Sun isn’t.
            These old people in nursing homes are so deficient in D and they knew it.
            When they say that money is the root of all evil it seems to be true. Power and control seems to be another evil.
            Biden has called for a Covid. 19 task force, and he isn’t even President yet. As if President Trump didn’t have a Covid task force.
            I predict that Biden will take credit for single handedly getting control of Covid 19 , when the real work was already done by the Trump adminstration, and the Doctors that developed the lifesaving meds they are already using.
            I predict this is going to be a false narrative that Biden is a hero saving lives by doing the right things, which had already been done by Trump, anything bad will be blamed on Trump.

          3. ox: i said this many years ago WW3 will be over Taiwan not Jerusalem what happens if china blockades Taiwan like Kennedy dd to Cuba???

        1. Wait, was that directed at me? Honestly I don’t know. I’m trying to lay off the pandemic talk, but, well, we’re still in a pandemic.

          1. Thanks. I do not think this virus was intentionally unleashed. But I think there was an immediate and concerted effort to not let the crisis go to waste,”

            I agree but now that its been seen to be so effective will the next virus be accidental ?

          2. intentionally unleashed

            I’m sure it’s just coincidence that China Joe tweeted this on October 25, 2019: We are not prepared for a pandemic. Trump has rolled back progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. We need leadership that builds public trust, focuses on real threats, and mobilizes the world to stop outbreaks before they reach our shores.

            Earliest patient dates back to early November. Obama administration funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan laboratory.

          3. Ugh! Conspiracy theories everywhere… and some look plausible.

            But what about Pelosi and DeBlasio telling us “Oh sure go to a restaurant in Chinatown” in February? Did they know about this? Were they trying to purposely kill people in NY and CA?

        2. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/health/grocery-workers-increased-covid-19-risk-wellness/index.html

          Remember how they were corralling everyone into the same big stores to buy everything? Turns out now 20% of grocery store workers tested positive but 75% of those never had any symptoms. But wereyou ever told that you might get covid at Walmart? It’s time to take off the mask and walk away from the Branch Covidian cult compound and go back to normal life. We don’t need any more centrally planned solutions.

    3. Force to sell to who?

      Well, since rental properties are a road to effortless riches, surely droves of potential landlords will be waging bidding wars to snag these lucrative properties.

      Oh, wait….

  5. No one has to do anything.

    But there used to be consequences for your actions.

    Now it’s just easier to vote for government to remove those consequences.

    ‘One person in particular simply told us, ‘I’m not going to pay because I don’t have to pay.’ And that individual is still employed.’”

    1. rip,
      You say you want a revolution.

      Actually I’m on board with your above post that it might not be avoidable , Revolution that is.

      I’m been thinking all morning about any other way other than revolution to take back this hijacking of the USA and I can’t come up with anything.
      When they go to take the guns I wonder if that will set it off or what.
      So, I’m glad you made your post .

      1. “any other way other than revolution to take back this hijacking of the USA”

        I have an idea. The voters who elected Trump in 2020 are the people who make the country work. The party trying to steal the 2020 election is the party of lockdowns. Should they succeed in stealing the election, give them what they want: every Trump voter who makes the country work (including and especially essential employees) locking down until the voting rights of the people are restored. Strikes can be a lot more effective than protests.

        1. On other methods to avoid Revolution.

          I have thought about boycotts, and peaceful protests.

          The insane part about this is these election thieves are screwing the very voters thàt keep the Country going that they parasite on..

          Boycotts only work if they don’t have a monopoly and you have a alternate to go to. This is why it was crazy to allow manufacturing monopoly by China.
          Peaceful protests won’t be televised by fake news or they will be downplayed.
          The only problem they had with their hijacking of USA was those darn elections where voters could vote for their own interest. Now they took that, and most likely will get away with it.
          So, as rip stated the revolution might be the only means.
          Hey, all Trump voters might roll over and give up and take the defeat, who knows.

          1. Can I say that this isn’t some minor defeat that will be corrected next election. This was a total false and fraudulent power grab in which they will rig it more to in the future to stop the will of the people.

  6. When the law will not protect private property and invalidates legal contracts, without compensation, there are two ways to go.

    1. Bribery

    2. Goons/don’t play by the rules

    A rumor of a rumor of someone in a similar situation. A small fire just happened to break out in the house. Tenants all got out safely. Fire department came. Tenants never got back in.

    “Boateng said the tenant hasn’t paid the rent in seven months and now he just wants to sell it, but the tenant won’t leave or let potential buyers in to see the unit.”

  7. What a woked idiot who can’t even see her wokeness is destroying her.

    But hey, have fun being homeless yourself and going bankrupt…because you are understanding.

    ‘I’m definitely understanding. People need to have housing, I fully understand that. Yet I can’t survive people not paying me for a year,’ Reid said.”

  8. ‘We have an abundance of luxury housing Downtown that’s already built, some of which — it’s really difficult to pin down the number — may not even be filled right now, don’t even have residents down there’

    It’s probably been over a year since I posted the article on downtown SD towers being largely dark at night. It’s not ‘difficult to pin down the number.’ Look into how many are using little to no water. That might take an hour.

    1. If you don’t look for data that may contradict your propaganda job…

      Then you don’t have to lie about it.

      It’s kinda like how 110,000 ballots, all for Biden, just magically show up at 4am…

      1. Which makes you a conspiracy theorist. I was thinking about this from yesterday:

        ‘Psychologists use the term “gaslighting” to refer to a specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is trying to get someone else (or a group of people) to question their own reality, memory or perceptions.’

        I don’t think this is entirely accurate to the situation. To just say, election fraud is a conspiracy theory, is an attempt to divert the topic to a completely unrelated issue, with a healthy portion of argumentum ad hominem.

        Why do we have poll watchers and ballot observers if election fraud is a conspiracy theory?

        1. Ok, now these thieves are acting like no fraud took place, and how dare you question them with this conspiracy theory of voter fraud. Must be Russian disinformation. Boy that Trump is such a sore losers we might need the military to take him out of the White House.
          They don’t want any check and balance on voter fraud.
          They used lawyers 90 days ahead of time to get lower Court rulings to pave the way to make it easier to rig the election, using Covid to justify it.
          The ends justify the means to these people. God knows who they got to using money bribes to manufacture the ballots, or destroy Trump ballots.
          Look, temporary Poll workers could be used to carry out the dirty deed. Thats why I think it was done in the dead of the night .

          1. Trump campaign continues to claim Pa. voter fraud, offers no proof
            Jo Ciavaglia
            James McGinnis
            Bucks County Courier Times

            Trump supporters and the international media flocked to a landscaping business in Northeast Philadelphia this afternoon after the president tweeted his team would have “big press conference” there at 11:30 a.m.

            By 11:26 a.m., former Vice President Joe Biden would be declared the winner of the election as a new batch of votes from Pennsylvania pushed him to victory.

            “Trump won’t concede,” said Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani at the news conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in an industrial park off Interstate 95, where he and other campaign officials again made claims of voter fraud in the commonwealth.

            “Networks don’t get to decide elections,” Giuliani said.

            Before the start of the press conference, cars and trucks cruising by the scene off State Road are screaming “Losers!” and “Trump 2020.” Police soon arrived as about 100 supporters converged on the scene. The crowds dispersed without incident.

            Giuliani said the campaign has 50 to 60 GOP poll watchers who will testify they were deprived of the right to inspect the mail in ballots.

            “Not a single ballot was inspected,” Giuliani said. “No Republican got a chance to look at the ballots.”
            …

          2. “No Republican got a chance to look at the ballots.”

            This should be aired in court for sure. The remedy, if it gets traction, would be quite interesting.

          3. Trump campaign continues to claim Pa. voter fraud, offers no proof

            Right. That’s why there was a link yesterday to the FBI investigating fraud in PA. It’s articles like yours which bring out the “gaslighting” rhetoric.

        2. poll watchers and ballot observers

          Not necessarily indicative of fraud. Checks and balances in the system to insure confidence in the outcome.

        3. “An once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. ”

          Yes eye see yer point.

          So, a bunch of Americans mostly volunteers & small pay workers, knot.knowing one another, get together once every 2-4 years without much contact together in thousands of cities in 50 states & conspire to alter the election return ballots of 150 million envelopes … That is quite an organized accomplishment!

          1. Well, nice strawman.

            But, in reality, six long term democrat controlled cities with histories of fraud going back decades is where nearly all of it happened.

          2. And they only do this in areas where Donald Trump is otherwise killing it in the polls. It is quite amazing when you think about it!

          4. ‘And they only do this’

            Again, a diversion. Why not address the allegations of fraud? You do know there are direct first hand allegations?

            BTW, didn’t happen in Texas or Florida. Only where the voting took off again at 3 or 4 AM did it happen. Kind of a clue.

          5. BTW, didn’t happen in Texas or Florida. Only where the voting took off again at 3 or 4 AM did it happen. Kind of a clue.

            Right. Was it a sheer coincidence that both Wisconsin AND Michigan saw massive Biden ballot dumps at roughly the exact same time in the early am, even though they are separate states? Of course not.

          6. “Why not address the allegations of fraud”

            Well what are the legal requirements to shout: “Fraud!!!”

            Seems dtRumpsis Chaostica Trantrumois is long $suffering from a life.long illne$$: The Bully.Boy who cried WOLF!

          7. ‘what are the legal requirements to shout: “Fraud’

            I’m not a lawyer, but these are serious allegations, likely felonies for each ballot or incident. The accusers would have to swear under penalty of perjury I suppose. Name specific parties involved.

          8. Co-opting the ballot box has been sport in politics forever. You just need to read Mike Royko’s ‘Boss’ to understand the reach of big-city Machine politics and what is possible.

            It’s looking to me like the Democrats focused on Trump and more or less ignored the down-ticket races. I think the plan is to get the White House and then flex their machine muscle to get the Senate in the next cycle. You know: divide and conquer.

          9. They might get the Senate in this cycle. Right now, the R’s are up 50-48. Both Senate races are doing a runoff in January. If the Dems win both, it will e 50-50 with Harris as tiebreaker. The Senate’s first action will almost certainly be the “nuclear option” to deep-six the filibuster, after which they can pass anything they want. First objective: pack the Supreme Court.

          10. “The accusers would have to swear under penalty of perjury”

            Who & how is dtRumpsis to be getting to give sworn testimony by for his Twitter shouting “Fraud!!!” to millions of American folks?

            Billy Barr?

            No one, ain’t gonna happen … EVER! … he’s indemnified … Sad.

            “Fraud!!!” “Fraud!!!” “Fraud!!!” “Fraud!!!” = no proof & no punishment. Why stop $houting?

    2. Those dark towers were clearly visible on the San Diego skyline, long before COVID-19 showed up. I recall pointing it out to my cousin on a warm summer evening a couple of years ago, back in the day when it was possible to dine out at a restaurant without trying to figure out how to get food into your mouth while wearing a mask.

      Noting the low occupancy rate of the condo towers was the beginning of my cousin’s decision not to purchase one and move to San Diego in retirement.

  10. “In the 90210 ZIP Code, based on 30 sales, the median price for single-family homes in September was $4.518 million, down 27.1% year over year, according to CoreLogic.”

    Is that a lot?

  11. The average vacancy rate in those same ten buildings is now over 10 percent and climbing, with the vacancy rate in one big building, which had been fully occupied, having jumped from 5 percent to 16 percent over the past month and on-track for ‘a vacancy rate of 20 percent by the end of November,’ as we projected last month.”

    Gosh, these vacancy rates just seem to be going up inexorably. It’s almost like people can’t afford to live there, so they don’t.

    1. With WFH and all the smaller businesses and restaurants closed there’s little reason to endure the inner city’s pricey rents.

      FWIW, my hang gliding instructor who also does tandem flights is leaving the SF Bay Area. Due to covid-19 the county had closed their park to all visitors for six months, and then the region’s fires brought in thick smoke for weeks at a time. It takes deep pockets to survive in the SF Bay Area without an income.

    1. You’d enjoy UK Journalist Toby Young’s book, “How to Lose Friends and Alienate People,” about his disastrous 5-year sojourn at Vanity Fair. Women in the fashion industry sound like life forms gone bad. The cattiness, drama, and constant office intrigues were the stuff of nightmares for anyone trying to run a productive enterprise, especially in the age of #MeToo and wokeness where women are financially incentivized to play the victim card regardless of how consensual their “encounters” are.

    2. Men are taught to cooperate for a greater good and to resolve conflict – consider sports and the (for a reason) stereotype of two men who fight it out over something ,then go have a beer together.

      Contrast that with women who are taught to jockey for status and position, primarily by convincing others, and the (for a reason) stereotype of two women fighting over something, then being moral enemies for the remainder of their lives.

      And I watch feminists continue to insist that men = bad for civilization, women = good for civilization.

    3. “Here is an an old article…”

      That’s quite a read.

      My former employer serviced federal and state offices, so they *had* to comply with Obama’s strengthening of Title VII. The office, already strained by years of budget cuts, quickly turned toxic as those few experienced people who knew what was going on were driven out leaving the inexperienced to struggle against the steady flow of work that couldn’t be rescheduled. Eventually OIG investigators arrived with search warrants seizing file cabinets, laptops, cell phones and PKI cards.

  13. Any good suggestions on where to implement the Oil City plan?

    No harsh winters, and good home internet speeds are the two most important factors.

    2. “No harsh winters…”

      Well, there’s two components:

      1: How far north latitude determines how long winter lasts.

      2: The elevation roughly determines if your snow will drift or melt.

      I’ve lived in two snowy places, So. Lake Tahoe, CA about 38.9ºN at 6,300′ and E. Washington’s Columbia Basin about 47.2ºN at 1,300′.

      I’m not a real snow guy, but given a choice I’d vote for the shorter winter. The outdoor season in the Columbia Basin is roughly 22-weeks per yr, which is terrible for this SF Bay Area transplant.

      1. What is it about Buffalo, NY that they get sooooooo much snow?

        (Does being next to a large lake with high Artic winds have any effect?)

        Hello Chic.ago!

        1. I have a fascination with tug hill ny, and the amount of lake effect snow it gets ttps://weather.com/storms/winter/news/lake-effect-snow-redfield-boylston-oswego-county-new-york-february-2017

        2. I went to college in Buffalo, NY and lake effect snow is a very real component of its climate. Between October and April the skies are mostly overcast. Until Lake Erie freezes over, almost any warm front moving east across the lake will dump a significant accumulation on the metro area, more in the known snow belt areas (those areas due east of the lake).

    3. I live in the Mid-Atlantic, and geographically I think it’s the best place for an Oil-City type lifestyle. There are beach towns, mountain towns, and lots of agricultural land. There is winter, yes, but it’s not relentless. There are always breaks in the weather which melt any snow. If you stay near a medium-sized city near a university you’ll get internet. Richmond, Gettysburg, Charlottesville, Harrisonburg (in the Shenandoah Valley) are all good spots. Good-sized cities without the endless suburbia.

          1. US climate zones seem to be either those of high humidity or those of nearly constant low humidity with chance of wildfires and dust storms.

          2. “…and dust storms.”

            We’ve had a strong and steady north wind for the past two days resulting in a huge dust storm. While not as bad as the smoky ash in early Sept., our vehicles, BBQ, contractor tool boxes, etc., are covered in a ~1/8″ layer of dust that must be swept clean before the wet weather arrives. Ugh.

    4. I have never heard of the Oil City plan, but climate-wise I’m pretty enamored with Western Washington state climate-wise as both extremes are blunted – winters are mild (said as someone who grew up along the great lakes) and summers are mild (said as someone who spend 2+ decades in DFW). Internet speeds are good in a lot of the region.

      1. Cloudy/rainy days and actual daylight hours in the PNW aren’t for everyone. Seasonal affective disorder is very real.

        1. Or so we want people to think.

          Yes, there is a grey season, but there is more sun, and days with at least some sunshine than the popular perception would lead people to think.

          Now I grew up in SE Michigan and am comparing the winters to that. You would have 100% overcast skies for a week+ at a time. Every year, the Detroit News (paper) would run a contest “Guess the total number of minutes of sunshine we will get for the entire month of February ” and usually the amount was around 10 hours total.

          What I’ve found here is that due to the mountains and ocean, we get an awful lot of “churn” in the cloud cover, and most days in rainy season would have at least a couple hours of sunshine. That said, the latitude is such that sunrise/sunset swing a lot – from 8.5 hours of daylight at winter solstice to 16 hours in summer, and that’s not for everyone.

          1. Everything is relative. My mother lived in Vancouver, BC for a couple years with a home base in San Diego, CA.

      2. Quick history of the OC plan:

        During the housing runup 2007-2008, there was an HBB poster named “ByeFL.” I’m pretty sure ByeFL was a woman because she bragged about here collection of Beanie Babies. ByeFL wanted desperately to move from Florida to Oil City, PA, because of the low house prices. She talked about it a lot.

        At the time we were reading stories of super-commuters who had jobs in LA but lived in Stockton because it’s the only place they could afford a house. What struck me was that the jobs the commuters had were low-pay, like loading dock. I started wondering why they would stay in CA. After all, there were loading docks in flyover too. You could get that same loading dock job for almost the same pay in a low-stress, cheap area like say, … Oil City, PA, which ByeFL couldn’t shut up about.

        So that’s the basic Oil City Plan: instead of killing yourself to buy an expensive house in a bubble area, just move to a large town or small city where you’ll have the same job, but less debt and less stress. There are a couple variants of the OC plan.

        1. Low-pay worker moves to simply buy a cheaper house.
        2. The other option is for people with high pay job and savings: give up the high-pay job, sell out of the expensive house, buy a small house outright, and work at Wal-Mart for basic bills but just live very low-stress. (This is where HBBers are positioned.)
        3. A COVID-era option is to move to a cheap area, only keep the $$$ job work-at-home. So what if Zuck cuts your pay because you’re not in CA? You still come out ahead. We’re seeing this happen already.
        4. The newest option would be the socialist UBI option. For example, if I knew that I would make, say, $30K and free Medicare-for-all forever for doing nothing, it would be tempting to quit and sell out, even though I’m still 10+ years from retirement age.

        1. Thank you, Oxide.

          I made the mistake of assuming folks here knew what the “Oil City Plan” meant. I learned more of its background from your post.

          Currently I’m in category #3 – keep my job, work from home, but move to a cheaper area. I’m about 2-3 years away from retirement, and parts of North Central Florida are looking attractive.

          1. what the “Oil City Plan” meant

            Don’t forget planting apple trees!

            Have you ever been to Florida in the summertime?

        2. Thank you, Oxide.

          I fear that for many the Oil City plan is in trouble, as ever formerly affordable remote areas and getting run up in price, while the local jobs (what few there are) still pay the same.

          Besides watching where all the equity locusts and urban core corona refugees are going to and pricing everyone out, I’ve been tracking semi-unknown places like the 4000 person dying town in Michigan that I came from, and it’s.. bleeping crazy. (I say dying as school enrollment there is half what it was when i grew up, yet the population is the same – if you have a family to pay for, you move away)

          And yet, that’s not to say it isn’t a good idea. Mrs Spiffy and I have been looking into a couple plan ‘B’ options for slower/cheaper living, and are likely to pull the trigger one on in 2021 to keep in our back pocket, even though we’d rather retire in place at Casa Spiffy.

          We’re just being pragmatic – we’ve got 5 kids to launch in the next few years (youngest turns 16 in a month, oldest just turned 21) and that’s not cheap. We’ve got the income now that flirts with the 99th percentile, and looks secure for the next few years (as much as anything is these days), but we’re aware that lots of things could go wrong, and we would like to get off the high-speed rat race treadmill before it kills us.

    1. Summer 2021 will bring the return of nightly riots and looting in every sh*thole city, Gropey Joe and Kameltoe will be powerless to stop it, and there will be no taxpayer base left behind to pay for cleaning up the mess. America isn’t a country, it’s a game.

    2. “…a BLM member beats down a female Biden supporter.”

      I thought DeShawn was going to cooperate and graduate? 🙂

        1. That’s not enough. Taking Uncle Ben’s picture off of the rice box will end systemic racism. And if that doesn’t work, we can always try re-education camps.

          Somebody keeps vandalizing the George Floyd mural on East Colfax spraypainting “Fentanyl Floyd” on it 🙁

          1. Don’t forget Aunt Jemima and the unnamed chef on the Cream of Wheat (does anyone still eat that?) boxes.

            Maybe if we just gave the aggrieved some Foot Locker gift certificates, they would be appeased.

  15. “Yakima property owner Enrique Jevons, one of the plaintiffs, derives his sole income from his 88 rental units. He said more than 10% of his renters are paying less than they owe. While those who have been affected financially by the pandemic have been great about working out a payment plan, he said a couple of people who do have jobs are taking advantage of the blanket moratorium.”

    #LearntoCode

    1. What happens next year when eviction restrictions are lifted?

      Most landlords, even mom and pop ones, use some sort tenant screening service. I have to think many of these landlords will do their best to leave as many black marks on the records of the tenants they felt were abusing the situation (I expect to see some breaks given tor tenants who despite losing their jobs, were fully transparent and tried to work with their landlords).

  16. Testify, Glenn Greenwald –

    The U.S. Inability To Count Votes is a National Disgrace. And Dangerous.

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-us-inability-to-count-votes-is

    The richest and most powerful country on earth — whether due to ineptitude, choice or some combination of both — has no ability to perform the simple task of counting votes in a minimally efficient or confidence-inspiring manner. As a result, the credibility of the voting process is severely impaired, and any residual authority the U.S. claims to “spread” democracy to lucky recipients of its benevolence around the world is close to obliterated.

      1. Oh, an overseas keyboard “fact check”. I’ll take a real investigation please. You know, under oath affidavits, etc.

        What are you afraid of? If it’s clean it’s clean. If not, oh dear…

        1. “What are you afraid of? If it’s clean it’s clean.”

          My sentiments exactly, … Now, regarding thee🍊.jesus’$ taxes …

        2. I’m afraid of nothing, so long as the investigation is carried out according to the established rule of law in this great country. And it would definitely be good to clear the air, as all the fraud allegations have convinced half the country that the election was stolen.

          2. all the fraud allegations have convinced half the country that the election was stolen

            It was a fake election, just like the fake impeachment sham.

        3. If active voters were limited to people who submit IRS tax returns it would be much easier to keep tabs on fraud.

          1. If active voters were limited to people who submit IRS tax returns it would be much easier to keep tabs on fraud.

            Definitely one potential solution. Assuming the powers that be actually want a solution…

        2. +2, and one the British public is forced to fund via an annual license fee of 154.50 pounds per household.

          1. ‘+2, and one the British public is forced to fund via an annual license fee of 154.50 pounds per household.’

            Is that a separate fee from the TV license they get hit up with?

    2. “[The U.S.] has no ability to perform the simple task of counting votes in a minimally efficient or confidence-inspiring manner. As a result, the credibility of the voting process is severely impaired,…’

      – Right. There are now serious questions about the legitimacy of the election. This has been going on for years, but at a low level. Now however, it’s bad enough that it’s become intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer. There are numerous accounts of voting fraud. These aren’t a coincidence. Brought to you by the party of “the end justify the means.”

      – The CCP virus pandemic was used, IMHO, as cover to roll out mail-in ballots, which is ripe for fraud.

      – Even before computers, election results were generally known within a day or two. Now, with all of the technology available, we can’t count votes and determine a winner in a clear, open, honest, and transparent manner.

      – In many ways we’re transitioning from a Constitutional Republic to a Banana Republic.

      – Finally, the MSM is declaring Biden the winner, as if they have the authority to do so. Recall that Al Gore went to court to challenge the results of that election back then. DJT should have the same opportunity. I’ll accept the election results if shown to be accurate and not not fraudulent. Still waiting for that outcome. Not holding breath.

      1. “Recall that Al Gore went to court to challenge the results of that election back then. DJT should have the same opportunity.”

        Is someone trying to deprive him?

        My impression is that he will have his day in court, and Georgia will recount the vote. Hopefully this will resolve the outcome of the vote and satisfy those who currently accept the suggestions that the election was stolen. It’s not healthy for the country to believe that fraud drove the outcome.

        1. Is someone trying to deprive him?

          Absolutely. THE MEDIA AND THE GLOBALISTS. Look at every msm rag front page and it’s filled with “no evidence of fraud.” They’re pretending Trump is just throwing a tantrum.

          1. “no evidence of fraud.”

            There is evidence.

            This mess is not something any serious person would want to see “dismissed” out of hand. It’s in our national interest to have a squeaky clean election. Evidence is gathered by investigation.

          2. Rip is quoting the MSM headlines. And yes, Rip is 100% right. They are trying to deny — or force to give up — DJT’s right to contest the election. And I suspect they want to cancel-culture anyone who supports that right too.

      2. “Finally, the MSM is declaring Biden the winner, as if they have the authority to do so.”

        My impression is that they were reporting on state outcomes when the vote counts had become insurmountable for a turn around. At some point there just aren’t enough remaining votes to enable a turnaround. And since all the votes were already cast, there was no possibility a news announcement could change the voting decisions of anyone who hadn’t yet voted. It was definitely a very weird election year to report, due to the record number of mail-in ballots and how long it took to count them.

        Notably Fox News was among the networks that participated in this exercise.

        1. “My impression is that they were reporting on state outcomes when the vote counts had become insurmountable for a turn around.”

          – So, for the MSM in general, we were hearing – for four years no less – the incessant droning of the lie that the 2016 election outcome was “influenced” by Russia, which was completely disproven by the evidence. Example: The Steele “dossier.” Another one: “Down with the Electoral College!”

          – Now, with the shoe on the other foot, there’s “no possibility” of influencing the election by fraud in 2020. As if the MSM is objective and unbiased… “Think of the MSM as Democratic operatives with bylines and you won’t be far off.”

          – “Heads I win, tails you lose.” And one wonders why voters are feeling more than a little disenfranchised in 2020… Sheesh! Banana Republic indeed.

        2. My impression is that they were reporting on state outcomes when the vote counts had become insurmountable for a turn around.

          So a 750,000 lead in PA is not insurmountable, but 20,000 votes in Wisconsin is? LMFAO. Dude, wake up.

          1. Lots of mental gymnastics going on about this stuff.

            While we’re at it, are we taking a closer look at Ohio? Biden was up something like 60-40, with, IIRC, about 70% reported, then the NYT meter spiked hard the opposite direction and DJT wins OH by > 450K votes.

            Fraud, or maybe vote count order matters?

          3. I wrote a lengthy post about vote count order. Vote count order is not the issue. The issue is hundreds of thousands of additional votes showing up in the middle of the night.

          4. “hundreds of thousands of additional votes showing up in the middle of the night”

            Question for those of us without evidence…At what hour of the night do “hundreds of thousands of additional votes” need to be cast by in order for them to be considered legit?

            In OH, I think the hard shift in votes occurred at 10PM EST.

          5. Stop playing dumb. The suspicion is that the ballots were never cast at all. The allegation is that the ballots were manufactured. And go ahead, look at the votes in Ohio too if that will make you happy.

          7. “never cast”
            I immediately wished for an edit button upon posting. Should’ve said “counted.”

            “The issue is…”
            Thanks Captain Obvious. I’m not arguing otherwise. (Nor that it can’t be limited, though it’s naive to think allegations wouldn’t be made in the system you propose below.) It’s ridiculous that states don’t follow the same rules. Since that’s not reality, suspicion + allegation – evidence = irrelevance.

            In the absence of hard evidence, look for correlations. In the absence of correlations, look at what’s more likely or what is reasonable to assume. It’s not unreasonable this can be explained by the timing of the vote count for a particular vote category and how many are released at one time, given the states’ rules.

            It’s also reasonable to assume this is what happened in OH, which was only an example of something I “observed,” not something I’m prepared to go “live” about. I’ll not pile on in the absence of evidence, thanks, but look forward to the testimony of eyewitnesses.

            (Disclaimer: I haven’t yet had time to check out Ben’s/Red’s links below which may provide clarity of evidence.)

          8. If you want to contest Ohio, then we should contest Virginia too. There was a hard shift to Biden at about midnight.

        3. “My impression is that they were reporting on state outcomes when the vote counts had become insurmountable for a turn around.”

          I got the opposite impression.

  17. Well here in northern California, it has been a bizzaro world type scenario as bay aryan equity locusts invade Sacramento, Roseville, Elk Grove, and Folsom! Covid could last years especially if ChinaBiden and Heels Up Harris end up getting away with stealing the election with forced masks vaccinations remember trump’s operation warp speed?

  18. Boston is not looking good AT ALL.

    Rents AND condos could drop by 50% or more in 1-2 years. Droves of people want out of the city.

    SFH should fare better but still this is pretty bad.

    1. Lower prices = bad?!

      I’m completely missing it. We have millions of young people who can’t start out in life because of insanely overvalued housing. A 50% drop in prices would wipe out the speculators who drove prices beyond the reach of ordinary people who just want a place to live, and give a new generation of young people a chance to lay down roots like they haven’t had for 25 years.

      Hopefully the government housing price inflation authorities will stand back and stand by to allow this favorable development to play out over the coming years.

      1. stand by to allow this favorable development to play out I wonder what effect this massive realization of bad debts would have on the economy outside of making housing cheaper for most of us.

  19. So I just heard on Saturday Night Live (reliable source!) that Biden won the popular vote by 5 million votes (+/- 499,999).

    Do you guys think the Democrat’s fraud was widespread enough to explain that large of a gap?

        1. You’re being disingenuous and you know it. CA is a non-factor when it comes to voter fraud swaying the election. It’s the swing states that matter. But you tried to include that massive CA margin as if somehow that number of votes would have to be overcome in order for things to change. You know what you’re doing, especially as a “math Professor.”

          1. If you think about it a little, you will realize that breaking up California’s electoral college vote block would help Republican candidates more than Democrats. It’s pretty pointless to vote in a presidential election here, because the electoral college votes reliably go to the Democratic candidate, no matter how you decide to vote.

            Breaking up the electoral college votes regionally as Nebraska and Maine have done would go far towards increasing engagement in elections and reducing the perceived scope for voter fraud to determine the outcome of a national election.

            Not to suggest that the Republicrat party bosses who benefit from the current system would ever want to go any further down this path…

      1. It’s well-known which counties in which states swing presidential elections. Look at where the campaigns went or any given MSM moron on their interactive election maps.

    3. won the popular vote

      I thought we all had it figured out that the overall popular vote is not how the election is decided.

      1. Maybe it’s time to rethink that, given how fraud-prone our current system supposedly is. Does it really make sense to vest way more power in the voters of states with small populations than large ones?

        1. Does it really make sense to vest way more power in the voters of states with small populations than large ones?

          Yes, it protects us against mob rule. The mob committing the fraud being unveiled before us right now.

          1. “mob rule”
            Majority, not mob, rule.

            The common refrain against the popular vote is, “I don’t want NY and CA picking our President.” I’ve never understood this argument. What do state borders have to do with it? That said, something like Nebraska’s system (but without district designation) on a national scale seems the most equitable. Almost 5M people voted for DJT in CA. Their vote should mean something.

          2. What do state borders have to do with it?

            More than you might think. The nation was originally set up as a Federation of independent states. Everything is designed around that.

          4. “was originally set up as a Federation of independent states.”

            Yes, I understand. But this is for one Federal position in particular.

            Take any individual, of any political leaning. Regardless of whether that individual chooses to live in NYC or Salina, KS, their vote for President should count the same.

          5. Regardless of whether that individual chooses to live in NYC or Salina, KS, their vote for President should count the same.

            That sounds perfectly logical. Until it’s time to design a Federation of independent states of varying sizes that you actually want to stay together as a group for a long period of time.

          6. their vote for President should count the same

            Let’s not be so quick to throw out the Constitution as we are to ensure that our elections are honest.

          9. Yes, I understand.

            Try to understand this. Nobody complained about the Electoral College until Hillary lost the election. Perhaps an exaggeration, but my take. So a “reasonable” objection of it circulates. It’s probably not important as it was in 1776 as a stand alone issue. The catch is that those insisting we have a reasonable conversation about it have in mind removing the entire Constitution, to make it not the law of the land. If you like the best constitution in the world, don’t cooperate with it being nibbled around the edges.

          10. “throw out the Constitution”
            That sounds drastic. Ratifying another voting Amendment via required majority would not require this, nor cause a secession of states. It seems more likely that it would empower ~40% of a given state’s voters, motivate more Americans to vote and, in the case of the Nebraska/Maine route, preserve the Electoral model.

            As it stands, a red vote in CA or a blue vote in TX may have symbolic value but its practical value is zero.

            “…ensure our elections are honest”
            The need for one does not negate the need for the other.

          12. Strictly speaking, there was talk to end the Electoral College in 2000 when Bush won while receiving 500,000 fewer votes than Gore.

          14. “until Hillary lost the election.”

            That’s not the motivation here.

            Interesting to note, a split-vote scenario would have made Obama a one-term President, the only change to election outcomes dating back to 2000.

          15. Ratifying another voting Amendment via required majority

            I hope it’s not forgotten that it’s the states that ratify, not a popular vote.

    4. In 2016, Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million. Jill Stein won 1.5 million votes. I’m sure that at least a half-million Sanders supported who had sat out 2016 showed up to vote for Biden.

      There’s your 5 million right there, and I didn’t even have to think too hard.

      1. Then you shouldn’t have to think too hard to see the problem with an electoral system where a candidate who claimed five million more votes than his opponent has his legitimacy questioned over a margin of a few thousand votes in a handful of swing states.

        2. think too hard

          We live in a constitutional republic based on the principle of federalism. Go stamp your little feet elsewhere if you don’t like it.

          1. I’m really not angry enough to stamp my feet. Actually. I am having a good weekend.

            But I will point out that what Nebraska and Maine have done wasn’t in the Founders’ blueprint, but works better for the modern country than what other states still do.

          2. But I will point out that

            The way the Electoral College was set up was a compromise with the Southern States to compensate for their relatively smaller population of “eligible” voters and large population that couldn’t vote. It gave them a more equal footing as a state with the Northern states by giving them more electors in a weird proportion to their slave population.

            Democrats know history and the agreed rules of the Federation. It is suspect when they call for reform when it would apparently give them more power, having agreed to the rules when that gave them more power.

          3. It is suspect when they call for reform when it would apparently give them more power, having agreed to the rules when that gave them more power.

            This!!!

  20. The execution of this level of fraud, whereby the ballots were manufactured fraud, and other real ballots were destroyed in favor of Trump , requires a check of each ballot.
    Because this would be to time consuming, the only fair way is to hold a new election, in these disputed States, with checks and balances operative.
    That would be the only way to account for ballots manufactured and ballots destroyed
    How can you take back poll watchers being denied right to watch? It’s a prejudice that can’t be cured any other way than a reelection in the States in dispute,

    We are not talking about some stray ballots here and there that wouldn’t of made a difference to the overall count. I submit that it was thousands and thousands either manufactured or destroyed.
    I think they did this massive fraud, in part due to the remedy being hard to do on short time spans, and do overs are costly.
    But, it’s more costly that a Nation be lost by a fraud , than the right remedy executed.

    1. It should be pretty simple to do an audit in Pennsylvania. Start with Philadelphia, which is the most likely suspect. See where it goes.

      2. I don’t think a redo of the entire election is an option. Wasn’t last week sufficiently painful for all parties involved?

        I’m not sure about the audit…is there a process to enable that? I thought having both Democrat and Republican observers in the vote counting room was supposed to constitute a real-time audit.

        And are you suggesting it just for Philadelphia?

        1. “I’m not sure about the audit…is there a process to enable that?”

          Manufacturers of critical components use industry established QAQC methodologies that could be applied to ballots. However, as Carl aptly reminds us, up above, that maybe the PTB are not interested in that level of accuracy.

        2. is there a process to enable that?

          Discussed in the WSJ article from August to which I previously linked along with Dan Bongino’s discussion it.

    3. I’m a math/software guy by trade so I’ve looked at the various anomalies presented by people and if I had been handed a dataset like that, whatever sensor(s) collected it – I would assume there were serious problems in the collection and/or processing and would want to track it down. The fact that every. single. anomaly. is biased towards Biden leaves me no doubt that this election was rigged. And with the media (from NPR to fox) reporting that Trumps assertions are baseless and courts have already rejected his claims (I assume these were the attempts prior to the election, but the media is too corrupt to provide clarity), you can see the fix is in.

      Question for the Cali people – did the state count mail in ballots ahead of time, or did they wait like the other blue states? This seems to be a common theme where blue states could have counted them ahead of time but instead waited until polls closed and in some cases as we know held off until all other ballot types were counted in order to know how many fraudulent ballots they had to produce. Not sure if Cali was ever a possible Trump state but you never know and it would be interesting to know if this game was played there too – it would show them how scared they really were/are of Trump.

      Also heard some Karens on NPR lamenting how human rights have been sacrificed under the Trump years. Im sure the people of Syria and the entire mideast would roll their eyes right out of their heads hearing that, but what can you expect from Moloch worshipping fools who proudly kill their own children but coo over their rescue pets they “saved”.

      1. I think I read somewhere that few states were allowed to count the mailed-in votes during the polling day. One of those states was Florida, which is how they counted so quickly.

        Not counting mail-in ballots until after polls closed appears to be a holdover from when absentee ballots were too few to swing an election. Sometimes they didn’t even need to be counted.

        But the issue isn’t what time the ballots were counted. It’s what time the ballots arrived. If all the mail-in and drop box votes had been collected daily, stored in a secure location under surveillance, and then counted at 8 pm, you would not see this outcry. The issue is the boxes and boxes of FRESH ballots that arrived in vans to the polling place after the polls had closed. Where had these ballots been living before that? At the post office? At some non-secure location? Certainly not in the drop-boxes themselves; they are too small to hold a week’s worth of ballots.

      2. Cali people

        Wiggle room in bold below. If you’ve got people back-dating too, voila!

        https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/unprocessed-ballots-status:

        This election features a significant expansion of vote-by-mail ballots. Every active, registered voter was sent a vote-by-mail ballot. The time for ballots to arrive to county elections offices has also been extended. Vote-by-mail ballots postmarked on or before Election Day and received by the county elections official no later than seventeen days after the election will be processed and can be counted. For prior elections, vote-by-mail ballots had to arrive no later than 3 days after Election Day. In processing vote-by-mail ballots, elections officials must confirm each voter’s registration status, verify each voter’s signature on the vote-by-mail envelope, and ensure each person did not vote elsewhere in the same election before the ballot can be counted.

    1. WTF kind of headline is that? That headline should have read:
      “Anthony Fauci of NIH predicts return to normality in 2nd, 3rd, 4th quarter of 2021.”

      Any class of 6th graders could have done a better job writing that headline and story. Actually, any 6th grader would have answered the question better than Dr. Fauci. 🙄 Well no shee-ite Tony, we start shooting people up by March. How much do they pay you for this?

      This is our media? This is the best we have at the NIH/CDC?

      1. Reporters are a joke now. I recently read an article in The Atlantic (I think, not worth looking up). The author’s assignment was to call everyone in Epstein’s black book, a full copy he obtained on the dark web. He asked those who were willing to talk to him how they ended up in JE’s book, did they know anyone else who knew him, etc. He contacted a Kennedy listed and after a few other questions asked what Robert Kennedy was doing these days. He said the relative sounded “taken aback” when replying that he was killed in 1968.

  24. Blueskye,

    Yes it’s ironic. When I saw the Looters looting the stores and getting away with it, I flashed they were going to loot the election .

    When James Bond (SeanConnery) died near election day I flashed that law and order is dead and Goldfinger is going to destroy the World (symbol for Globalist madhatter,).

    The fact that Woodrow Wilson, the first progressive Dem President, who sowed the seeds of this takeover 100 years ago, that they hid that he had a stroke and his wife took over for him. Biden mindless they hide it and Harris takes over.
    Spanish pandemic hidden by Wilson to complete the war. Gas and the car going widespread in USA , Biden and Harris wanting to take it away. In 1913 monopolies sued by US, now monopolies rule.

  25. They want “unity”? 🤣🤣🤣

    Remember those Trump campaign rallys?

    Remember those pop up Trump Train rallys everywhere?

    There’s gonna be unity….. you can count on it. 😉

  26. The claws are coming out between AOC, who represents the Bolshevik wing of the Democratic Party, and the corrupt crony capitalist Old Guard exemplified by Comrade Pelosi and the mostly white Democrats who have been entrenched on Capital Hill for far too long. This is about division of spoils and control of Democrat patronage and graft rackets, so it’s going to get nasty. Got popcorn?

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-sitting-ducks-democrat-house-losses-progressive-agenda-dnc-campaign-social-media.amp

    1. Progressives and liberals are notorious for in-fighting. In 2004, I listened a lot to Air America, the one liberal talk radio station. Even with half the country rabidly anti-Bush, Air America couldn’t keep it together. They got into internal fights so severe that it brought down the station. In 2008 the Hilary/Bernie fight was so severe that the protest votes were enough to elect Trump. JK Rowling and poor Drew Brees, once darlings of the libs, had the gall to voice an independent thought and were excommunicated within hours.

      I clearly remember the disdain Democrats had for Republican Congresscritters who “voted in lockstep” against bills. I held the same disdain, but now I see why they did it.

      And now, even moderates are afraid to even ask a critical question outside The Narrative for fear of being sacrificed on the alter of Cancel Culture. Look at #MeToo: it morphed from exposing male bosses demanding favors, to threatening any young guy trying to ask a girl out. I’m sure they all voted D because Trump was the greater enemy. But without an enemy to unite against, they will turn on each other. What will they do? Accuse each other of being brainwashed by Fox News?

      3. I was also thinking that without Trump as the enemy to beat up all the time and blame for everything, than a void comes about.

      4. This reminds me of earlier infighting between standard conservatives and tea party a few years ago.

        1. That Washington DC is a big corrupt mess and they are totally decoupled from what the people want. Rigging the election tells you what they think of you. And these creeps have the power to tax you, take your oil, screw up the borders, and get you into stupid wars. They even want to cancel your culture so their false narrative will control you. Not the way it was suppose to be. Look at how screwed up everything is with these power mongers rigging the deck. IT SUCKS

      1. 5 out of 5 states

        I stayed up and watched as they all stopped counting. It seemed incredibly odd to me. How could these all Joe 130,000+ transactions in Michigan even be entered when everything is locked up for a siesta?

        How is a 3 hour break coordinated in these 5 key states?

        Is the state government in Wisconsin even curious how they got >100% voter turnout?

        What in the world were they thinking putting our live election databases on the web and having foreign actors handling them?

        More questions than answers. I’ve been wondering for a while why Bill Barr has been sitting on his hands.

    2. I don’t have time for an hour-long video right now but I did see that Twitter thread. I’m on the fence whether or not to believe it because it’s difficult to assess his credibility outside of his bio or independently verify some of the information.

          1. In the selection area for U.S. president our WA ballots had Biden-Harris at the top of the list. I thought the top was reserved for the incumbent?

    3. Ben,
      I just say WOW to what you posted. I don’t know that I understand it fully. But to sum it up.

      Other systems were tied into the Election computer system. Those other systems, some from Foreign Countries, had computer ability to add or subtract voter numbers. This ability to change voter number is a security breach and access codes were shown in plain site. Is that about right? Is it also true they could monitor exactly how many votes were needed.?
      So, I’m thinking the hard vote ballot was brought in during the middle of night as back up to the computer fraud.
      The enormous amount of count to Biden one-sided after certain hours was because they has to know how many to add . And that why in one State total numbers exceeded registered voters.
      The way the count came in was weird and not how the flow would be.

      Anyway, I’m just wondering if the computer number change can be traced. I don’t know enough about computers.
      They didn’t even know the name of the owner of the Company that had access to the computer election.

      Just wow.

      1. Broken and hacked voting machines Are not a new concept. Btw – I am wary of any reference to a set of computers as “the system.” This is just more voodoo whatchamacallit thingybob speak. Jesus Christ, it’s not like this is an IBM mainframe from 1970.

      2. In 2004 there was a yuge hue and cry over the Diebold voting machines. Dems (I was one) were certain that Bush had won by cheating, especially in Ohio. But I think they looked into it and couldn’t find enough evidence, so Kerry didn’t push too far. Plus, Bush had won the popular vote so the Dems were more accepting. At the time, Karl Rove et al were gloating about a Permanent Republican Majority. Heh.

        1. Given the level of fraud pulled off, I’m not sure Biden won the popular vote, even considering California
          I don’t think they rigged Cal. anyway . It’s always rigged in the sense that ilegals vote .
          I think the fraud occurred in the five swing States that Biden needed a pathway to win.

    4. So the election data for 29 states is managed by a private outfit headquartered in Spain that also happens to be in bankruptcy and the data is stored in Germany… all the while the data is repeatedly wiped and re-uploaded with no audit trail.

      No election or ballot fraud????

      GFY

  30. Eye’m amazed how many folks lives have become “un.balanced” due to thee.🍊jesus being regulated to $pending his last days digging out of a $elf.made $andtrap on his own golf.course$.

    Guess my per$pective @ thee.19th hole is knot one everyone can see.

    🍷✌

    Does anyone cry&moan for “tigger.Woods” or Lance.my.a$$ Armstrong?

    Maybee, knot.me.

    2. Nobody crying for DJT including himself. He already has a lot of financial success to fall back on.

  31. “Progressives and liberals are notorious for in-fighting.”

    R.i.p., yer weak.minded, or can’t count to the #16 … or both!

    Thee.🍊jesus

    Versus … his x16 repubican opponents:

    Here’s how Trump has dispatched the contenders who stepped into the ring with him:

    #1 Sept 11th 2015: Rick Perry, Tayhoss governor:

    The former Texas governor never broke 10% in the polls and was relegated to the undercard stage in the first Republican debate. Perry was among the first to directly attack Trump, saying in July that what the real estate mogul was offering was “not conservatism, it is Trump-ism – a toxic mix of demagoguery and nonsense.” Trump unleashed a flurry of attacks on Perry, making fun of his glasses, saying he “did a horrible job” securing the border and should “be forced to take an IQ test” before being allowed to debate. When Perry gave up his bid this time, he decried “nativist appeals” and said, “Demeaning people of Hispanic heritage is not just ignorant, it betrays the example of Christ.”

    #2 Sept 21st 2015: Scott Walker WisCON$in governor

    The Wisconsin governor burst onto the scene in early 2015 with a convincing lead in the important state of Iowa, as well as executive experience as a governor. Walker had some stumbles — memorably saying he would consider the idea of building a wall along the Canadian border. And Trump steamrolled right over him in the tell-it-like-it-is lane among the crowded field. When he dropped out, Walker lamented the personal attacks.

    #3 Nov 11th 2015: Bobby Jindal Louisiana governor:

    The former Louisiana governor entered the race in June 2015 pledging to rock the boat in Washington. Jindal, known as a policy wonk, cast himself as an outsider running “without permission” from the Republican establishment. But he got little traction. In September, he tried a direct hit on Trump, calling him a “substance-free narcissist” who looks “like he’s got a squirrel sitting on his head.” Trump responded in kind, saying Jindal is a “lightweight governor” with less than 1% in polls. Jindal said on the way out that “it’s not my time.”

    #4 Dec 21st 2015: Lindsey Graham South Carolina US Senator.

    The South Carolina senator had spent seven months in the race pushing hard for a more hawkish foreign policy, but he never polled above single digits. He tangled with Trump early and often. Graham called him “the world’s biggest jackass” after Trump said in July that Sen. John McCain wasn’t a war hero because he was captured. Trump fired back by giving out Graham’s cellphone number at a South Carolina town hall and urging his constituents to call it. (“Your local politician, you know? He won’t fix anything but at least he’ll talk to you.”) Graham destroyed the phone in a video the next day. Trump said in November that he wanted Graham to stay in the race because he was “so easy to beat!” But alas, Graham ended his bid a month later — on the last day he could and have his name removed from the ballot in South Carolina.

    #5 – # 16 👆 to bee continued tomorrow …

    Eye’ve got other needed tasks to perform this.knight, 🍷✌ … “eye’m coming love”…

  32. So the election data for 29 states is managed by a private outfit headquartered in Spain that also happens to be in bankruptcy and the data is stored in Germany… all the while the data is repeatedly wiped and re-uploaded with no audit trail.

    No election or ballot fraud????

    GFY

  33. Btw…I’m no legal expert, but does taking an issue up before the courts typically involve campaign rallies?

    2. In modern times, yes it does. There are plenty of rallies and protests outside the Supreme Court building, on both sides.

        1. Oops, I didn’t mean the protests going on right now. I mean that there are routine protests and rallies outside the Supreme Court building in the hopes of influencing the justices. Especially when arguments are being heard in a high profile case.

          If there are rallies in DC now, I don’t know about them. I’m not keeping track of the news. But if this election goes to the Supremes, you will have hundreds of thousands on the Mall for sure.

          (FYI, that’s why Trump had so few people at his first Inauguration. His voter base is far away from DC. Biden will get more because there are 8+ million Dems within a three-hour bus ride of the Mall.

          1. Ok, interesting. I heard it through the grapevine that a bunch of Trump voters are going to DC to protest but who knows.
            The fake news only give voice to their side anyway.

      1. Prices fell 18% and cratering fast.

        This is good news!

        God Bless President Donald J. Trump and God Bless America!

    1. I don’t know who they will bail out, but they usually bail out the investor or Bank.

      Do you think this DC Swamp cares one bit about the cattle, or their Globalist backers care? They have showed their true colors for years now, especially in the last 4 years. Now they rig the election in favor of their two gross puppets Biden/Harris.
      Some people didn’t like the way that Trump talked. It never bothered me because that’s how those devils deserved to be talked to.
      I’m insulted by the way Biden and Harris talks .

      2. Paper PM prices are dropping, but as usual, retail prices of available metals are hardly budging. The paper (manipulated) prices are becoming increasingly irrelevant, as premiums simply go higher given continued strong physical demand coupled with supply shortages. I hope to go to my local coin shop in a day or two – last time I was there buyers outnumbered sellers by about 3 to 1.

    3. Pfizer just announced that their vaccine is 90% effective. That’s going to jack up the DOW too. This will be a great week to buy PMs. The markets can be joyful about Biden and vaccines, but it’s not going to fix weaknesses in the economy that were in place 18 months ago. It’s not going to fix the inversion of the yield curve.

      1. oxide,
        How is it possible, given the Agenda of Biden/Harris, that anything they do will benefit the United States. Its all about this one World Order Globalist Monopoly stuff, pro China etc. The Commie stuff is just top down control and Gov. taking over stuff they have no business controlling. Very disturbing power grab by forces that want to destroy the traditional America, capitalism, the Constitution, freedoms , first and second amendment etc, etc.
        They rigged the election because they just couldn’t allow 4 more years of the Trump voters agenda.
        This is like a invasion without firing a shot, because it’s by treason from within.

      2. I placed a few limit sell orders this am. Over the ensuing months my intentions are to get my equity exposure down to a very conservative ratio. There is too much pointing to some kind of hollow prosperity guaranteed exhuberating.

      3. “It’s not going to fix the inversion of the yield curve.”

        I certainly would avoid the long end of the curve like the plague…unless to shift from government to junk yield debt.

        1. Cuomo also said the next two months are likely to be the worst regarding Covid, because Trump will still be in office.

  37. Antifa / Burn Loot Murder smashed up the Multnomah County Democrat Party HQ in Portland last night, with the police standing there watching and doing nothing, LOLZ.

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