Some Homes Are Not Selling On The First Day As We Experienced In Preceding Years
A report from WTOP News. “The D.C. region’s housing market continues to shift to one more favoring buyers and one becoming more challenging for sellers. Closed sales throughout the D.C. region in May were down 6.5% from a year ago. Active listings were up 41.6%. ‘Really, Northern Virginia and Arlington seem to be holding out the best. District of Columbia condominiums are the weakest,’ Corey Burr at TTR Sotheby’s in Chevy Chase said. For sellers now on the market or thinking about listing soon, Burr said most will need to reset their expectations. ‘Many sellers feel as if they are entitled to a certain value, but when the market is changing and correcting, the only thing that matters is what a buyer will pay for a property,’ he said. ‘You almost have to lighten up on expectations about what your neighbors got six, 12 or 18 months ago.'”
“Burr has a new formula for sellers when it comes to deciding what to list their property for. Think low but expect results if you do. ‘In a very good market, you would try to determine what a realistic selling price would be, and you might create a list price about 5% above that,’ he said. ‘A newer strategy in this kind of challenging time is to create that realistic selling price, and then subtract 5% for the list price. We know that buyers will still bid up a property and make very clean offers, but this is a way to better ensure that activity will take place on their property.'”
Bham Now in Alabama. “If you’ve been house hunting in Birmingham lately—or just casually browsing Zillow—you’ve probably noticed: The real estate market in The Magic City looks a little different than it did a few years ago. We caught up with some experts at Ray & Poynor in English Village to get the lowdown on what’s happening in the local housing market right now. Over the last few years, especially during the pandemic, Birmingham’s housing market saw intense demand and limited inventory. Homes were often selling within days (or hours), frequently above asking price, with multiple offers and very little room for negotiation. Now, while demand is still strong, some of that urgency has eased. Buyers aren’t always rushing in with aggressive offers on day one, so sellers may need to be more flexible on price or terms. ‘We are seeing a slight shift in 2025 from previous years. Home prices remain steady, but some homes are not selling on the first day as we experienced in preceding years. In general, buyers and sellers are negotiating more during the home buying process,’ said Hill Weathers, Agent, Ray & Poynor.”
WSBTV in Georgia. “In Atlanta, uncertainty is playing out across the city where ‘for sale’ signs are popping up, but realtors say the market remains stuck between favoring buyers or sellers. ‘Right now, it is a little difficult both on the seller’s side and buyer’s side,’ said Alicia Lovett, a local realtor and recent first-time homebuyer. ‘When you have a certain fair market value that you need to sell for, you can’t just sell for anything — your price is your price.’ Meanwhile, many buyers are still waiting for a market crash or the ultra-low mortgage rates seen during the pandemic.”
Beach Talk Radio News in Florida. “Realtor Jorge Barrera from Premiere Plus Realty has shared new data he compiled that shows the real estate activity on Fort Myers Beach has been relatively quiet as of late. From January through May of this year, 38 homes have been sold. In 2023, during those same 5 months, 119 homes were sold. For the year, in 2023, 179 homes were sold. In 2024, 70 were sold. 2021 was the best year for sales, over the last 5 years, with 192 homes sold. He found there are 132 vacant lots on the market as of June, 2025 with only 8 lots being sold so far this year. Back in 2023, 66 vacant lots were sold. Last year 32 were sold. Barrera says buyers indecisiveness is due in part because of hurricane’s Helene and Milton. ‘It was the last straw for many residents and the number of listings went way up, while buyer confidence went down for the same reason.'”
WFTV in Florida. “In 2025, the housing market in Orlando is changing. There are more homes for sale now, and prices are no longer rising quickly like in recent years. One big change is the number of homes available. As of May 2025, there were about 11,000 homes for sale in the area—that’s 35% more than in May 2024. This is the most homes on the market since early 2011, so buyers have more choices than they’ve had in over a decade. Real estate agent Victoria O’Day from Palmano Group said, ‘This isn’t 2021 anymore.’ She explained that sellers today need better marketing, smart pricing, and even virtual staging to stand out.”
A press release. “According to the Rankin Richey Real Estate Team, real estate agents in Tahoe City, California, North Lake Tahoe currently has 589 active listings, offering buyers more choices compared to a year ago, while the number of closed deals remains steady at around 90 per month. Average prices have softened to approximately $1.5 million, with market activity becoming more balanced, especially in the price ranges below $2 million. According to Greg Rankin, ‘It is currently better for buyers because inventory is high, with around 589 active listings—the most since 2018—giving buyers more choices and negotiating power.’ Prices have softened, with average sales around $1.5 million and median prices in Truckee and Incline Village down 9–13% year-over-year. Homes are selling faster, in about 39 to 40 days, but without bidding wars, allowing buyers time to decide. Sellers are more flexible, often accepting offers below asking price, offering credits or repairs, and accommodating timelines.'”
From Calmatters. “It hasn’t happened yet, but California is bracing for a demographic and economic hit under President Donald Trump’s multi-pronged effort to limit the entry of people born abroad and deport those already in the U.S. In fact, during the last Trump administration, California’s population declined in part because immigration to the state slowed down after the White House put up increased obstacles to enter the U.S., according to the state’s chief demographer. A full third of the state’s prime working-age population is made up of immigrants, including immigrants in the country without authorization. That latter group represents roughly a tenth of the state’s workers, said Giovanni Peri, an economics professor at UC Davis who studies the economic impact of immigrants.”
“One major reason California loses so many people is the high cost of housing. Eric McGhee, a demographer at the Public Policy Institute of California, says high living costs are also increasingly a drag on the state’s attractiveness to new international arrivals. Bottom line, ‘if you’re interfering with immigration flows to California, that’s going to hurt the state’s growth,’ said McGhee. In construction, mass deportations would curb GDP by 16%, and in agriculture, 14%, the report’s authors found. Undocumented immigrants make up more than a quarter of the workforce in both industries. They also found about 11% of the state’s small business owners are undocumented, as well as about 700,000 of the state’s homeowners — about a third of the state’s undocumented population.”
Bisnow New York. “In the days following democratic socialist candidate Zohran Mamdani’s victory in New York City’s mayoral primary on Tuesday, the city’s business community has warned that his left-wing politics will scare off investment. Now, one nine-figure deal has already fallen apart, according to the would-be buyer. Benefit Street Partners Realty Trust, a Manhattan-based, credit-focused alternative asset management firm, has backed out of a $300M acquisition deal for a NYC hotel portfolio, the firm’s president wrote on LinkedIn Thursday evening. ‘We were days away from signing a contract,’ Michael Comparato wrote in the post. ‘Been working on it for months, loved the opportunity. Enter Zohran Mamdani.’ In a direct message to Bisnow, Comparato wrote, ‘It’s very scary that a socialist could be voted into power in the United States,’ but declined to comment further.”
The Globe and Mail in Canada. “Vancouver’s real estate industry had a great run at the height of the pandemic, but three years on, major marketers and developers are laying off staff and selling off assets. The most recent is Wesgroup Properties – developer of the master-planned community River District – which announced the layoff of 12 per cent of its staff last week. Prior to that, condo marketing company Rennie Group announced the layoff of 25 per cent of its staff. Developer, architect and consultant Michael Geller said that he’s playing more golf these days because of the downturn. It’s not that developers are asking for a ‘bail out’ of sorts from government, but more of a return to the way things were, so that housing continues to get built, he said. To get housing starts going again, the industry would like to see reduced municipal fees and a lift on the federal foreign buyer ban on real estate, he said. ‘Foreign buyers really impacted my projects, not because they bought units in my developments … but because the foreign buyers were buying the homes of the people who were buying into my project,’ Mr. Geller said.”
“Andy Yan, associate professor of professional practice in urban studies at Simon Fraser University, said the layoffs appear to be more periodic than disastrous. ‘Is this an end of sunny days or a prolonged period of climate change for the market residential industry?’ said Prof. Yan. The presale condo market in the city of Vancouver had largely been driven by investors. In Vancouver, 50.3 per cent of condos built between 2016 and 2022 were investor-owned, according to the Canadian Housing Statistics Program. In Toronto, it was 56.3 per cent. Those investor condos were smaller in size than condos purchased by end-users, said Prof. Yan. The vacancy rate for rental units in Vancouver is the highest it’s been in 20 years, except during COVID. ‘Wasn’t this the housing direction that was needed?’ asked Prof. Yan. ‘Why aren’t we saying that the supply and demand policies are working? Shouldn’t we be okay with declining rents and housing values? This is market behaviour. We decided to regulate for the public good and market exclusion, and this is where we are at. However, we still have far to go in terms of housing affordability for those on local incomes and without access to wealth.'”
The Olive Press in Spain. “Research conducted by three university professors has identified speculative investment and tourism as key drivers behind soaring prices in both Madrid and Barcelona, with rental markets bearing the brunt of the crisis. The study, titled The Housing Classic: Bubbles in Madrid and Barcelona’s Real Estate Market, was compiled by economics professors from the University of Barcelona, Complutense University of Madrid, and University College Dublin. In Barcelona, researchers identified three distinct bubble phases in the rental market: July 2015 to February 2016, June 2016 to December 2017, and most critically, from August 2023 to the present day.”
“According to Enric Aragonès from the Tenants’ Union (Sindicat de Llogateres), buying a home now requires more than seven years’ full salary – the highest amount since the 2008 mortgage crisis. Perhaps more strikingly, 60% of home purchases are now made without mortgages, whilst over half of Barcelona’s property transactions involve owners with eight or more apartments. The researchers warn that speculative investors who acquire properties purely for profit rather than personal use are ‘reinforcing the risk of market overheating’. Residents from six Barcelona apartment blocks recently organised protests against Vandor, a listed investment company that has acquired 14 buildings containing 200 apartments in the Catalan capital. Tenants claim the company is systematically evicting residents to convert properties into student co-living units.”
Free Malaysia Today. “Housing experts have called for a vacancy tax to help tackle the rise of vacant and unsold homes and lower property prices by discouraging speculation. They said many ‘affordable’ housing units are being held empty by owners or investors, making it harder for real buyers to find homes. Research associate K Theebalakshmi said a vacancy tax can prevent speculation and push developers to build homes that meet actual needs, reducing oversupply and supporting more balanced housing development. Figures from the statistics department show that nearly 20% of homes in Selangor and Penang were vacant in 2020. More than 53,000 units were unoccupied in Penang, often waiting to be sold or rented out. In Selangor, 343,562 homes were reported vacant, with about 197,065 of them either newly completed or pending occupancy.”
“Azree Othuman Mydin, the dean of Universiti Sains Malaysia’s housing, building and planning school, said a vacancy tax would reduce flipping and hoarding, especially for properties in the RM300,000 to RM500,000 range. ‘If we want housing to go to those who need it most, we must stop treating homes as trading tools,’ he said.”
Radio New Zealand. “A high-profile property investor and investment coach is taking aim at real estate salespeople advertising properties as ‘cash flow positive.’ ‘Cash flow positive’ is generally understood by investors to mean that the rent from the property will fully cover the cost of owning it, such as loan repayments, rates and insurance, and leave a surplus each week. But property investor Steve Goodey said he had found instances where claims were made that did not stack up. In one case, an Auckland unit was being advertised as a ‘solid home or cash flow positive investment’ but he calculated that even at the top of the rent range for the unit, it would need to be bought for $405,000 to make it cashflow positive. He said the salesperson told him the vendor wanted $500,000.’ The salesperson told RNZ that the numbers stacked up if an investor had a 20 percent deposit. ‘But the title should be changed to cash cow investment as it has caused confusion for some investors.'”
“In another case, a property was being advertised as cashflow neutral with a purchase price of $699,000 but Goodey estimated it would be negative by $16,000 a year. Another property going to auction promised to be cashflow positive but Goodey said that was a bold claim to make when the sale price was not known. He said it was disappointing that no one seemed willing to tackle this sort of marketing. ‘I’ve had agents come to me and say that a property is cashflow positive if you put a 30 or 35 percent deposit down in cash. That makes anything cashflow positive – are we just making stuff up as we go along now?'”
‘In a very good market, you would try to determine what a realistic selling price would be, and you might create a list price about 5% above that,’ he said. ‘A newer strategy in this kind of challenging time is to create that realistic selling price, and then subtract 5% for the list price’
Now you’ve gone over to the dark side Corey.
Corey needs to cover his mortgage & Lexus SUV payments. Indulging greedhead delusions doesn’t get you to Always Be Closing.
In the case of surburban subdivisions, condos, townhouses where there are very similar models, the price is set by the latest sold. So every few % down in sold price is helping.
‘He found there are 132 vacant lots on the market as of June, 2025 with only 8 lots being sold so far this year’
That’s 8 years of inventory George. BTW this article has tons of stats.
So maff is hard, but 8 out of 132 seems like a really low percentage. Maybe somebody needs to start sawin’ & slashin’ like they mean it if they intend to unload those lots.
‘It is currently better for buyers because inventory is high, with around 589 active listings—the most since 2018—giving buyers more choices and negotiating power.’ Prices have softened, with average sales around $1.5 million and median prices in Truckee and Incline Village down 9–13% year-over-year’
Greg you do realize some of these shacks are in or near California?
A city named “Truckee” commanding seven figures? LOL
It’s not a beautiful name, but it is a beautiful area.
Oh yeah…..crash Carolinas RE!
Oh yeah…..crash Carolinas RE!
+1
“…but it is a beautiful area.”
Agreed. We used to ski up that way at Squaw Valley. You should see the snow removal equipment used up there along the I-80. Everything up there can easily get buried overnight during a Pineapple Express storm!
Yeah it’s real close to Northstar ski resort. Only 20 minutes from the north side of Lake Tahoe. Just about dancing in my stomping grounds.
‘When you have a certain fair market value that you need to sell for, you can’t just sell for anything — your price is your price’.
Alicia – your fair market value and price is not my fair market value and price.
Alicia, you entitled delusional greedhead harpy, you stick to yer guns and swat away those lowball offers. Shirley a buyer will come out of the woodwork who understands that the Alicia price trumps inconsequential factors like market forces.
Have you decided recession fears are overblown, and it’s time to get bullish on stocks?
Motley Fool Money Knowledge
Are We Headed for a Recession? Here’s How to Protect Your Money
Published on June 29, 2025
Jake FitzGerald
A dying plant labeled “growth” against a yellow background.
You’ve probably seen the headlines: slowing growth, sticky inflation, and whispers about interest rate movement. The big question keeps coming up: Are we headed for a recession?
Nobody knows for sure, but here’s what I do know after years of writing about personal finance: Waiting until you know we’re in a recession is waiting too long. The smartest move is to recession-proof your finances before things hit the fan.
Here’s what I’m doing, and what I recommend to anyone trying to stay one step ahead.
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https://www.fool.com/money/banks/articles/are-we-headed-for-a-recession-heres-how-to-protect-your-money/
“The big question keeps coming up: Are we headed for a recession?”
Powell better lower those interest rates and print Benjamin$!
It’s different this time!
Markets
A stock market melt-up may be the biggest risk facing investors, says this strategist
By Barbara Kollmeyer
Last Updated: June 30, 2025 at 4:51 a.m. ET
First Published: June 30, 2025 at 4:48 a.m. ET
Ed Yardeni says the market is veering into “meltup” territory.
Photo: Getty Images
A fresh high logged by the S&P 500 last week, with another possibly in the cards for Monday, suggests stocks may be back in melt-up mode.
That’s according to Yardeni Research’s president Ed Yardeni, who also has some caution to share: “It’s a bit hard to believe, but the main risk at this time may be a stock market melt-up, i.e., a speculative bubble. That’s where we were only 4½ months ago when the latest correction started!”
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-stock-market-melt-up-may-be-the-biggest-risk-facing-investors-says-this-strategist-07394738
The markets are pricing in more Fed stimulus. So are precious metals.
I need a fix, bruh. Hit me!
So the dollar is CR8Ring at the fastest rate since 1973, while the Dow keeps hitting new records.
For the record, how did the Dow do in 1974?
“A newer strategy in this kind of challenging time is to create that realistic selling price, and then subtract 5% for the list price”
Your “newer strategy” sucks. The better one says find your most recent comps and list 5 to 10 percent below that.
“create that realistic selling price”
Wouldn’t that necessarily be based on the recent comps?
This is a pearl-clutching article. The Democrat-Bolshevik cultural warfare against Heritage American symbols is running into resistance.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-town-tried-to-heal-racial-divides-it-energized-confederate-supporters-instead/ar-AA1HGoBy
A full third of the state’s prime working-age population is made up of immigrants, including immigrants in the country without authorization.
The globalist scum media can’t call things by their proper names. “Unhoused neighbors.” “Immigrants in the country without authorization.” Bums & illegals, you mean.
Real Journalists love The Great Replacement.
The prime movers behind the Great Replacement just happen to own every globalist scum media outlet. Imagine that.
Clownifornia is already in an unsustainable situation. Having millions leave would do it a lot of good.
Colorado has had a huge influx of CA libtards fleeing what they voted for, but then trying to recreate it here.
Migration to the Centennial state has slowed to a trickle, and net outmigration is a real possibility as the cost of living here is crushing many. Unfortunately the leftists aren’t the ones who will leave.
Inconceivable! At an open house in my hood this weekend – where I, a looky-loo, was the sole attendee – the realtor assured me that the five military bases & gub’mint contractors in Colorado Springs would ensure a continued strong housing market. Cuz it’s different here…she also claimed that a new wave of California transplants were inbound as a result of the wildfires & civil unrest. We’ll see about that. Fleeing one socialist utopia for another makes no sense, although the Cubans & Venezuelans flooding in seem oblivious.
For the time being Dumver is still much nicer than Havana or Caracas
Figures from the statistics department show that nearly 20% of homes in Selangor and Penang were vacant in 2020. More than 53,000 units were unoccupied in Penang,
I flew into Penang for a race last December and It looked like Manhattan, skyscrapers everywhere. On the ground, lots of building was going on. In fact, they had to reroute the 10K race course because of a huge Mixed use facility being built. In the race brochures they had lots of advertisements for the new condos for sale.
Navy Yard Office Building Sells For $28M: The D.C. Deal Sheet
A Navy Yard office building that spans a full block and is 53% occupied sold at a steep discount. Garfield Investments and Broad Creek Capital scooped up 300 M St. SE, a 285K SF building across from the U.S. Department of Transportation, for $28M, according D.C. deed records.
The seller was Potomac Investment Properties, which developed the property in 2021. A spokesperson for the buyers confirmed to Bisnow that the sale was facilitated on behalf of the lender, Bank of America, which had provided a $66M loan in 2021, according to deed records.
The partnership secured a $14.4M loan from Prime Finance Partners for the acquisition, deed records show.
https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/deal-sheet/navy-yard-office-building-sells-for-28m-this-weeks-dc-deal-sheet-129955
The Navy Yard is surrounded by vibrant neighborhoods, with “teens” capering unchecked and frequent fatal shootings & robberies.
Lab space no more: New vision for old Needham car dealership include housing and a hotel
Development firm Bulfinch is changing up its plans for the site of Needham’s former Muzi Ford dealership, exploring a pivot to a mixed-use project with hundreds of housing units instead of an office and laboratory complex.
The Needham Planning Board in 2022 approved Bulfinch’s proposal to build a 475,000-square-foot, two-building complex at the 10-acre site on Highland Avenue just off Route 128, which once housed a large Ford and Chevrolet dealership.
But since then the once-turbocharged demand for life sciences lab space has slowed significantly, both in Greater Boston and across the United States. Bulfinch last week approached the Planning Board to begin exploring different development options rather than leave “a graveyard” of an empty site for years to come, said Robert A. Schlager, Bulfinch’s president.
https://www.boston.com/real-estate/the-boston-globe/2025/06/25/lab-space-no-more-new-vision-for-old-needham-car-dealership-include-housing-and-a-hotel/
Around my neck of the woods there’s a massive amount of talk about how we need Moar Housing Moar Housing Moar Housing. Especially affordable housing with 2 3 4 bedrooms, badly needed by “families.” I’m sure it’s for illegals, because the regular population was getting by the housing we already had.
Denver Office Distress Lands It In Nation’s Delinquency Top 10
Denver now ranks sixth among the 25 largest U.S. metro areas for office CMBS delinquencies, according to new data from Trepp. The city’s CMBS office delinquency rate sits at 27.2%, nearly three times the national average of 10.6%. That puts Denver ahead of markets like Baltimore (26.6%) and just behind Atlanta, Chicago and Philadelphia, all sitting above 28%.
The only western U.S. market ranked higher is Portland, Oregon, which leads the entire pack at 38.4%.
“Borrowers took on debt loads that were kind of inflated by the cheap cost of capital,” said Tom Taylor, senior manager of research at Trepp, referring to the prepandemic building boom fueled by low interest rates and massive migration.
Denver’s office delinquency problem traces back to a wave of loans originated at historically low interest rates between 2018 and 2021. As values reset and tenants retrenched, owners struggled to refinance or reposition.
“Before Covid, the urban rate was near zero,” Taylor said.
Several large downtown assets illustrate the distress trend:
Industry RiNo Station is more than 90 days delinquent on a $60M loan, with just 54% occupancy. A receiver was appointed in April.
700 Broadway, a Capitol Hill medical office property, is 30 days delinquent on its $51M loan. It is in special servicing for imminent monetary default.
World Trade Center I and II are already in real estate owned status after foreclosure. The property, once valued at about $176M, was appraised last year at just $34.1M, a 75% haircut.
Together, these three buildings represent nearly $337M of Denver’s delinquent office loan balance, which Trepp pegs at $434M.
Taylor said the cracks began forming well before interest rates jumped. “A lot of the value dislocation had already gotten started when rates started rising and firms started vacating or not renewing leases,” he said.
Meanwhile, the clock is ticking. The average duration of CMBS office loans has shortened in recent years, and many five-year loans originated in 2021 will hit maturity next year, setting the stage for another potential wave of distress.
https://www.bisnow.com/denver/news/capital-markets/denver-distressed-office-delinquencies-top-nation-129914
Commie-controlled Denver is spiraling into dystopia. CRE & residential values have a lot further to fall.
CRE & residential values have a lot further to fall.
And they already have layoffs so if CRE continues to crater, it is gonna get ugly, tax wise!
If there’s a downside to seeing suburban Denver libtards getting taxed out the wazoo while city services keep declining, I’m not seeing it.
Denverites will never admit that something is seriously wrong with Dumver.
In a perfect world, any libtards fleeing what they voted for who attempted to ooze into the red states would be branded on the forehead with a hammer & sickle, then dumped over the border of the nearest blue state with a warning to never attempt to infest the red states. Let them live out their lives in the socialist utopias they created.
“Borrowers took on debt loads that were kind of inflated by the cheap cost of capital”.
The cheap cost of capital doesn’t exist. Its like buying an overpriced truck for 90K, but the salesman in the ugly plaid sports coat says you qualify for a 0% interest loan, so its a great deal.
The lending was sound at the time.
[I like to sometimes look this stuff up]
A $1B assets under management – and they lost ~$90M on just one complex in Denver.
Who the heck is investing in them?
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The buildings formerly known as World Trade Center I and II in Denver are now called the Denver Energy Center I and II, located at 1625 and 1675 Broadway.
🏢 Current Owner: As of June 2022, the complex is owned by an affiliate of JPMorgan Chase, which acquired the property through a foreclosure auction for $88.2 million.
– Previously owned by Gemini Rosemont Inc., who bought it in 2013 for around $176 million.
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Gemini Rosemont Inc. is a commercial real estate investment company that specializes in Class A multi-tenant office properties and luxury multi-family developments across the United States.
Here’s a snapshot of who they are:
Core Focus: Investment in high-quality office buildings and upscale residential propertie
– Over 30 years of experience in real estate
– Approximately $1 billion in assets under management
A report from WTOP News. “The D.C. region’s housing market continues to shift to one more favoring buyers and one becoming more challenging for sellers.”
The market is shifting. It’s down-shifting.
“‘Many sellers feel as if they are entitled to a certain value, but when the market is changing and correcting, the only thing that matters is what a buyer will pay for a property,’ he said.”
The buyer sets the price, and so the comps. It’s about how much they’re willing to pay. This is normal behavior, excluding periods of wealth effect-induced mania and FOMO and asset related bubbles.
Bham Now in Alabama. “Buyers aren’t always rushing in with aggressive offers on day one, so sellers may need to be more flexible on price or terms. ‘We are seeing a slight shift in 2025 from previous years.”
There’s that word “shift” again. Realtors will keep using it until the shift hits the fan.
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” – Inigo Montoya, “The Princess Bride,” 1987
WSBTV in Georgia. “‘When you have a certain fair market value that you need to sell for, you can’t just sell for anything — your price is your price.’ Meanwhile, many buyers are still waiting for a market crash or the ultra-low mortgage rates seen during the pandemic.”
Buyers might want to wait to avoid the “catch a falling knife” phase. This is especially true for new home buyers, since builders will keep undercutting them to move inventory, leaving them underwater on price much sooner.
Beach Talk Radio News in Florida. “Barrera says buyers indecisiveness is due in part because of hurricane’s Helene and Milton. ‘It was the last straw for many residents and the number of listings went way up, while buyer confidence went down for the same reason.’”
“indecisiveness” How about “reluctance,” or “resistance?”
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” – Inigo Montoya, “The Princess Bride,” 1987
WFTV in Florida. “In 2025, the housing market in Orlando is changing. There are more homes for sale now, and prices are no longer rising quickly like in recent years. One big change is the number of homes available. As of May 2025, there were about 11,000 homes for sale in the area—that’s 35% more than in May 2024. This is the most homes on the market since early 2011, so buyers have more choices than they’ve had in over a decade.”
A press release. “According to Greg Rankin, ‘It is currently better for buyers because inventory is high, with around 589 active listings—the most since 2018—giving buyers more choices and negotiating power.'”
“‘Prices have softened, with average sales around $1.5 million and median prices in Truckee and Incline Village down 9–13% year-over-year.'”
“Sellers are more flexible, often accepting offers below asking price, offering credits or repairs, and accommodating timelines.’”
The common theme of the above articles is the “shift” to rising inventory and declining prices due to the bursting of Housing Bubble 2.0. Where are my bidding wars? Where are my housing love letters? Who’ll feed the squirrels? 🐿️
“The horror… the horror…” – Colonel Kurtz, “Apocalypse Now,” 1979
From Calmatters. ““One major reason California loses so many people is the high cost of housing. Eric McGhee, a demographer at the Public Policy Institute of California, says high living costs are also increasingly a drag on the state’s attractiveness to new international arrivals.”
Many conservative Californians with common sense already have, or are now bugging out due to the high cost of living and declining standard of living; the result of far-left Socialist policies. Cali-zuela has for some time now – literally years – seen significant net out-migration of the best and the brightest, leaving the poors who are highly dependent on the State. All is proceeding according to plan.
“The government you elect is the government you deserve.” – Thomas Jefferson
Cobb County Office Sells To Apartment Operator Following Default
An Atlanta firm best known for its apartment properties acquired a Cobb County office building in a lender-enabled short sale. Braden Fellman Group purchased One Tower Creek, a 100K SF building at 3101 Tower Creek Parkway in the Cumberland/Galleria submarket, for $6.8M, said Casey Keitchen, a senior managing director at Newmark who brokered the sale.
The price is a 40% drop from the last time the building sold, which was in 2004. It is also 23% lower than what its previous owner, an affiliate of Mivne Group, was seeking when it listed the building last year for $8.8M.
The reason? It was too good a deal to pass up, Braden said. “It’s really just a basis story,” he said. “We bought it for $68 a foot, partially tenanted.”
https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/office/apartment-operator-buys-cobb-office-building-129869
A Shrinking Housing Market Means Upheaval for Buyers
It isn’t just buyers and sellers backing out of the market. The National Association of Realtors, the industry’s largest trade group, expects its membership to decline to 1.2 million in 2026, down from nearly 1.6 million as recently as 2022. That’s in part “due to the housing market’s current headwinds,” a NAR spokesperson tells Barron’s.
“There’s going to be sort of a reckoning” if sales remain slow, says Columbia Business School professor of real estate Stijn Van Nieuwerburgh. “Probably a bunch of people are going to quit this profession altogether.”
Where some smaller brokerages see trouble, others see buying opportunities. Compass, a $3.2 billion real estate brokerage based in New York, grew its ranks of principal agents nearly 42% in this year’s first quarter from the year prior, largely because of its acquisitions. “Most brokerages are really struggling financially,” says Rory Golod, Compass’ president of growth and communications. “They don’t have the size, the scale, and sort of the balance sheet to get through this.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/a-shrinking-housing-market-means-upheaval-for-buyers/ar-AA1HmNhY
No industry is as ripe for “disruption” as the NAR. 6% commissions when shacks have a median price of more than $400K are going to go the way of the dodo when the vast majority of home sales transactions could be completed at a fraction of the cost in the age of AI & online services.
The National Association of Realtors, the industry’s largest trade group, expects its membership to decline to 1.2 million in 2026, down from nearly 1.6 million as recently as 2022.
Coffee is for closers.
I expect similar scenes are even now playing out in multiple RE offices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkjfZctGMq8&t=40s
Rooftop Condo In Brickell Headed To Bankruptcy Auction
A company linked to Venezuelan banker Eligio Cedeño is selling its three rooftop commercial condos at Brickell House via a court-approved bankruptcy auction. Ectul Holdings LLC received approval for the auction after filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy to avoid the units’ foreclosure in March. The auction is scheduled for July 31, the South Florida Business Journal reported.
Cedeño, a Venezuelan banker who was granted U.S. asylum in 2011 after fleeing corruption charges, was named in the 2016 Panama Papers leak for holding offshore accounts, Venezuela Analysis reported.
He had been arrested in Venezuela in 2007 for currency fraud and fled to the U.S. after his release in 2009.
https://www.bisnow.com/south-florida/news/commercial-real-estate/brickell-rooftop-condo-headed-to-bankruptcy-auction-129919
Perhaps more strikingly, 60% of home purchases are now made without mortgages, whilst over half of Barcelona’s property transactions involve owners with eight or more apartments.
Municipalities & locals need to drive out the speculator scum & corporate landlords by any means necessary.
Big Tech’s Big Housing Fix Has Fizzled As Companies Quietly Scale Back Ambitious Plans
When Silicon Valley’s tech titans vowed to plunk down huge sums of cash to improve housing affordability in their backyards, optimism was high that the likes of Google, Meta and Apple would help raise billions for thousands of units needed by both the broader community and the companies’ own workers.
Years later, the results are spotty, and many tech companies are walking away from their proposed efforts even as home prices continue to climb.
Newly elected Gov. Gavin Newsom approached tech company heads in 2019 with the idea that there was “no wrong way to support California housing affordability,” according to Newsom’s then-Deputy Chief of Staff Jason Elliott.
“Whatever made sense was great, so long as it was real and it was meaningful,” Elliott said.
But by the end of those collaborative talks, there was no overarching agreement on standardized metrics and timelines, and each plan was tailored to individual companies and its goals.
The result: Though some projects have been completed, others remain in limbo, have been scaled back or abandoned altogether. That has left housing advocates and providers with a gap where residential units were meant to be and confusion about what comes next as the economy has grown less certain.
In the past few weeks, the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, Meta and Google have all announced they are walking away from ongoing housing projects in the Bay Area, abandoning commitments to alleviate a housing crisis they helped exacerbate.
“The cheaper the capital, the faster it can be deployed, and the more the total development cost goes down,” said Ray Bramson, chief operating officer of Destination: Home, a public-private collaborative that partnered with Meta on its $150M Community Housing Fund in 2020.
But “providing an alternate debt vehicle wasn’t really transforming the system,” said Ben Metcalf, director of the Terner Center for Housing Innovation at the University of California, Berkeley, who was involved in high-level conversations with Meta about establishing a middle-income housing fund.
“The problem is that none of that stuff was scaled or substantial,” he said.
“The timing couldn’t be worse for private funders of housing solutions to be stepping away when we need them to be stepping up,” said Edie Irons, spokesperson for San Francisco-based All Home, a nonprofit advocate for solutions to homelessness. “That is having a painful impact on the people and organizations that are trying to solve these problems.”
“Not only has Meta backed away from housing production work, but [the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative] has pulled back almost all of their housing advocacy grants,” Irons said. “It’s really disappointing to see, especially when their work was really making an impact. Their team was really strong.”
Google terminated plans for the 41-acre North Bayview development in Mountain View in April 2024. The package would have included $44M in community benefits, about half of which are no longer available. The city received $23M cash up front, but the property remains an empty construction site.
The company’s other Mountain View project, Middlefield Park, is in limbo after Google announced plans to sell the 40-acre property. The master plan had included 1,900 housing units and 800K SF of office space.
Google is reportedly interviewing residential development teams to purchase the Mountain View land. Should the plan be amended and the office space component removed, it is unclear whether the city would still get the community benefits tied to it. The city’s ability to compel Google to do anything is limited.
https://www.bisnow.com/san-francisco/news/affordable-housing/what-happened-to-big-techs-housing-fix-companies-quietly-scale-back-ambitious-plans-129874
“Housing experts have called for a vacancy tax to help tackle the rise of vacant and unsold homes and lower property prices by discouraging speculation.
Punitive taxes on the speculator scum and banning corporate landlords & private equity locusts from competing with legitimate homebuyers & small independent landlords are long overdue.
Altadena Commercial Owners Waiting For Insurance Payouts But Expect They Will Fall Short
Insurance companies have paid out more than $17B for claims filed since January by owners in the Eaton and Palisades fire areas. That number is expected to grow as rebuilding gets underway.
Those payouts are helping owners begin to imagine the rebuilding process — and realize how much additional funding will be needed to bring that to fruition.
Commercial owners tell Bisnow that navigating the insurance process has been a learning experience. They say it has tested what they thought they knew about their own coverage and how the reality of what their insurance payout will cover is affecting their decision-making as they rebuild.
“I know what I signed up for,” Café de Leche co-owner Matt Schodorf said. “I’m a small-business person. This is what we do. But it is daunting, scary.”
Schodorf is still paying off the loan he took out to remodel the space when his café was a tenant in the building, as well as the Small Business Administration loan he took out to help buy the property.
“Now, I have to take out another loan to rebuild because — it’s not their fault, but like a lot of people, I’m sure, we’re underinsured,” Schodorf said.
An estimated 75% of small businesses are underinsured, according to a 2023 survey from Hiscox, a global insurer specializing in small-business clients.
Schodorf’s café has other locations in the city, but this property was the only one the business owned.
“You never know what’s going to happen in the future, and if everything hit the fan, at least we own this, right?” Schodorf said. “This was our safe space, and this is the thing that burnt to the ground.”
For owners who have to bear a larger brunt of the rebuilding costs, the stakes will be even higher, and the need for business to come back strong will be greater. The question of who will patronize once the structures are back and operations are up and running still looms large.
“Is the community going to be back to be able to support us in the way that we need to be able to operate this thing?” Schodorf asked. “I mean, I hope so. It’s all hope.”
https://www.bisnow.com/los-angeles/news/retail/eaton-fire-palisades-fire-insurance-payouts-hurdles-shortfalls-129904
Multi-million dollar housing complex in Watson Lake, Yukon, still vacant months after it was built
It’s been a few months since a 10-unit housing complex was built in Watson Lake, Yukon, and according to officials it’s still sitting vacant.
The $13-million building is located at 807 Lakeview Avenue was built as part of the Yukon government’s “Housing First” initiative which aims to provide permanent, low-barrier housing for people at risk of homelessness. It was completed in March.
However, the territory says it’s had trouble finding anyone to operate the facility.
The 8,628-square-foot building has two barrier-free bachelor units, six regular bachelor units, and two one-bedroom units. Building features include a reception area, a separate programming space, a multi-purpose room with a full kitchen, and barrier-free public/staff washrooms.
Chris Irvin is the former mayor of Watson Lake, and was part of the planning process when the project first began. He said he’s frustrated to see that the building is still vacant.
“How can you spend this kind of money … just to have it sit empty?” Irvin said.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/multi-million-dollar-housing-complex-080000832.html
$1.3M CDN per unit. I won’t even ask why it’s so expensive.
1.3 million per unit??????? for
bumsthe homeless? That’s insane. Tents are $50.Maybe it’s the land, they aren’t making any more frozen Yukon. By low barrier they mean hard drug and booze friendly. I drove through there on the way to and from Alaska in 2001. To me it felt like the end of the world and I was glad to only have to spend one night. The roads are crap and if you break down, it would be a big expensive problem. Good luck finding parts.
I’ve read in other parts of the Yukon entire villages live in well insulated trailers. I think those cost 100k.
‘I’ve had agents come to me and say that a property is cashflow positive if you put a 30 or 35 percent deposit down in cash. That makes anything cashflow positive – are we just making stuff up as we go along now?’”
Realtors are liars. They also have a vested interest in extracting the maximum price from “clients.” Anyone who trusts realtor “research” or fails to do a proper due diligence when buying an “investment property” or shack to live in is a slack-jawed moron who deserves to be swindled.
Bottom line, ‘if you’re interfering with immigration flows to California, that’s going to hurt the state’s growth,’ said McGhee.
McGhee’s paycheck at the “Public Policy Institute” is dependent on her “research” validating globalist agendas, with the Great Replacement being the #1 priority for the globalists & their Democrat-Bolshevik stooges.
Funny how during California’s golden age there were almost no illegals.
California’s Golden Age was doomed by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, also known as the Hart-Celler Act, pushed by the globalists & their Democrat minions. It changed US immigration policy by abolishing the national origins quota system. This system, in place since the 1920s, favored immigrants from Western and Northern Europe. The 1965 Act replaced it with a preference system based on family relationships with US citizens or legal residents. It’s been all downhill for California & the USA ever since, by design.
One Woodburn man opts to go home to Mexico on his own terms
Luis Lamas stood outside the airport drop-off terminal in Eugene. He unloaded three heavy suitcases from the back of his friend’s car, and a tan backpack with an American flag patch.
He’d packed the few belongings he’d accumulated: new sweaters and pants he had bought recently, after wearing the same thrift store clothes for over almost five years.
He also took with him books a friend had given him about the history of Aztec civilization and the Spanish conquest of Mexico, a coffee mug, letters from friends and an ex-partner, and his college diploma he’d taken with him from Mexico just in case.
Lamas was choosing to leave the United States at a moment, politically, when the Trump administration has made immigration a centerpiece policy. But while the administration’s crackdown on immigration played a role in his decision, it’s more complicated than that. In some ways, he felt trapped, Lamas said.
Lamas is a Mexican citizen who came to the U.S. with a friend after he was laid off from a job and had trouble finding another one. He had worked at a construction company for years as a project manager. He’d traveled all around Mexico overseeing public infrastructure projects.
“Then came the pandemic,” he said. ”All business went down, there was no economy.”
Lamas, who is divorced, left behind two kids, a home, a community — and arrived in California by plane in 2021, looking for economic opportunity. He entered on a temporary tourist visa, which he overstayed.
He worked physically demanding jobs, trekking up mountains to plant pine seedlings after forest wildfires and pruning almond trees in the San Joaquin Valley of California. He’d never felt that kind of pain before, working in the cold long enough that his nose and ears would start hurting. He didn’t have the right clothes, he said.
About eight months after he landed in California, Lamas followed a crew to Woodburn, Oregon, to work in nurseries across the Willamette Valley. When he stopped working at the nurseries, Lamas decided to put down roots in Woodburn.
It’s where he lived the longest during his time in the United States, where he found refuge and where he made friends. It’s also where he became a familiar face in a downtown where many of the businesses are Latino-owned, most store fronts have Spanish signs on their windows. And it’s where he came to own and run a coffee shop he’d bought with an ex-partner, Café La Onda.
Now Lamas is leaving that behind.
A few days before he headed to the airport to leave the United States, Lamas sat on the back porch of the Woodburn house where he was renting a room. He had considered staying in the U.S., he said.
“I thought about it for a moment,” he said. “I said, ‘Well, I’ll stay here.’ But when you start living more here in the United States, getting to know more of it, I said, no, it’s not for me.”
“I don’t want to find out if they’re going to put me in a detention center,” he said. “Or if I’m going to live so many more years [here] and be told, ‘You know what, no, you have to go back to your country.’ No, it’s a waste of time.”
“If I’m here, it’s because I’m surviving right now and learning, and I need to use that time to grow as a person,” he said. “Many people come to the United States and say they’re here to make money. The truth is, you don’t get rich in the United States. It’s a process.”
He said the Trump administration’s crackdown was the push he needed after realizing he’d likely not be able to visit his family in Mexico. And in some ways, he said, his time in America had run its course.
“Along with Trump coming in, I said, ‘No, why am I exposing myself?’” he said. “I’ll go back home, take with me what I’ve earned, and that’s it.”
Perhaps, he said, the U.S. is not the land of opportunity it’s made out to be.
https://www.opb.org/article/2025/06/30/woodburn-man-returns-mexico-immigration-crackdown/
Perhaps, he said, the U.S. is not the land of opportunity it’s made out to be.
Demographics is destiny. The U.S. was the land of opportunity before the changes to its immigration policies in 1965 cleared the way for mass 3rd World migration, with predictable consequences.
This dude isn’t the typical illiterate illegal from Oaxaca. He was Mexican middle class (possibly college educated) until Covid whacked his job. I’m sure that having to rent a room hurt his pride, hence his dissatisfaction with the “American dream”. The thought of being deported as a common illegal also hurt his pride too..
The globalist scum media is being forced to admit that mortgage delinquencies are rising as tapped-out ‘Murican debt donkeys are being financially destroyed by the Fed-created “cost of living crisis”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faw-Emov4QU
Colorado woman makes emotional plea to stop deportation of husband
AURORA, Colo. — Alexandria Dowell arrived at the Aurora Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility on Friday morning for a scheduled visit with her husband. She waited longer than usual, only to learn he was no longer there.
“They just tell me, ‘Your husband’s not here,'” Dowell said. “I was like, ‘What do you mean by that? He’s not here, where is he? And they’re like, ‘sorry we don’t know.'”
Dowell’s husband, Ariel Cruz Penton, had been in immigration custody since June 10. He was detained when ICE officers arrested him while he was working a side job, apart from his job doing home renovations.
The couple has been fighting his deportation case for four years, ever since they met. Cruz Penton, who came from Cuba, initially presented himself at the border and pleaded for political asylum. He was granted a credible fear interview, but Dowell said ICE forced him to sign papers without proper representation.
“He had no idea what he was signing,” Dowell said. “That gave up his rights to parole as well as political asylum.”
After she waited in the detention facility’s visiting room past the usual time, facility staff called Dowell to the front desk to deliver the news about her husband’s absence.
“I told them that this was my husband, I needed to know what was going on, and they immediately told me, sorry, I can’t tell you,” Dowell said. “I had to stop myself from crying because at that moment, my heart dropped and I’m like, ‘Where are they taking him?'”
Dowell said the ICE agent said her husband would be deported that day or the next. It wasn’t until 3:30 p.m. Friday that the family’s lawyers determined Cruz Penton had been transferred to El Paso, Texas.
The family is currently appealing the judge’s denial. Dowell, who is a U.S. citizen along with her daughter, said they are homeowners who pay taxes and that her husband has no criminal record.
During a recent phone call, Cruz Penton told his wife that officers wanted him to sign papers for deportation to Mexico — a country he’s not from.
“It’s in someone else’s hands. It doesn’t matter if you do everything right. It doesn’t matter if you’re not a criminal. It’s up to the person who, you know, it’s up to the deportation officer, the ICE, you know, the judge, whoever’s reading the case, it’s in their hands,” Dowell said.
Cruz Penton has lived in the United States for seven years. The family continues to work with their legal team to fight the deportation.
“I don’t know much more we can do at that point to show that he needs to be here. But like I said, I’m trying everything. I’m just hoping for a miracle at this point,” Dowell said. “So I’m just hoping that someone can have a little bit of, you know, humanity and help us out, because this is his home. It’s not Cuba. It’s not Mexico. It’s not anywhere else. This is his home right here with us.”
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/aurora-woman-plea-to-stop-deportation-of-cuban-husband/73-b3fb0355-e2e9-4667-8b53-4afa1d8b7777
The exodus of the productive & sane from the Denver suburbs is accelerating. Anecdotal evidence suggests the same phenomenon is occurring in Colorado Springs, where crime is surging & the quality of life is deteriorating since the once-desirable city went blue in the last mayoral election. Yet the delusional greedheads & their realtors are still parroting the “Everyone wants to live here!” line that might’ve been true when the Springs was a conservative bastion, but no longer applies with all the CA libtards & Democrat-on-Arrival migrants that have flooded in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luCntDwXrbQ
Have mortgage rates finally settled back down to levels that please the rate daters?
ICE in LA Sets Hollywood Summer on Edge as Latino Workers Hide
The man swimming laps next to me in the public pool in Santa Monica paused at the edge of the limpid water and sighed. A fifth-generation Angeleno of Chinese descent, Colin said he’s been driving his two daughters to their activities all over town – today is swim team training — because their nanny won’t.
The nannies will not come out of the house. He said: “It’s like Anne Frank or something.”
The nannies in this town are mostly Hispanic and like so many other Latinos doing important jobs in our community, they’re now living in a state of terror. Because ICE agents will pick up anyone with brown skin, regardless of whether they are legal or not, and sometimes even if they are American. It doesn’t seem to matter.
Colin’s wife is a pediatrician and ICE agents have come into her medical office looking for patients and staff, he said. The other day, Hispanic staff crowded into an examination room and huddled there when agents showed up because ICE is not allowed in the exam rooms.
Not yet anyway.
This is the kind of insanity and terror that’s being spread in our city. According to the Department of Homeland Security, over 1,600 immigrants have been detained in Southern California over a period of more than two weeks as of June 25th. This equates to roughly 101 arrests per day.
In a quest to punish a Democratic majority city – nearly half Latino by last count — and in an obsession to meet made-up quotas to deport undocumented immigrants, the Trump administration has set Los Angeles on edge.
His intent to terrorize our city is working. My local car wash on Sepulveda is closed. The owner said he needs to protect his labor force.
“People are staying home. It does feel very scary out there right now,” said immigration attorney Jaclyn Granet, who works closely with entertainment clients.
A lawyer friend of mine said she was in Van Nuys on Friday picking up boxes from a storage place and talked to a group of Hispanic men who find work outside the store. They were scared, they told her. “They’re afraid to go out for work right now,” said this friend who did not want to be named. “Their families are staying in their home.”
And we all wonder what can be done. For the moment, it seems, not very much.
“Do I think that this level of force is necessary? Absolutely not,” said Granet. “That is part of the chaos and scare tactics meant to be communicated through these raids. Part of Trump’s plan is to create chaos.”
https://www.thewrap.com/ice-raids-in-los-angeles/
‘It’s like Anne Frank or something’
Jeebus now I’ve heard everything. You soft greedy bashtards could start paying US citizens more to wash yer El Camino or look after little Timmy. But no, it’s the holocaust!
Jeebus now I’ve heard everything. You soft greedy bashtards could start paying US citizens more to wash yer El Camino or look after little Timmy. But no, it’s the holocaust!
The same thought crossed my mind. Colin and his pediatrician wife must have a very nice income between them.
The other day, Hispanic staff crowded into an examination room and huddled there when agents showed up because ICE is not allowed in the exam rooms.
So the clerical and nursing staff are also illegals? Is anyone in LA a legal resident?
Reader: Why Do All Discussions of ICE Get So Hot?
Driving down Broadway last Sunday afternoon, about to turn out of yet another construction zone onto the new onramp to south I-25, we spotted the sign: “BRING THE HEAT F@CK ICE.”
That was the message on one of the electronic construction billboards that have become common around town…but this was far from a common message.
But in their responses on the Westword Facebook post about the message, readers deliver plenty of messages of their own.
Says Michael: Classy. Denver always on brand.
Wonders Briggs: And if it said the opposite point of view? What would be good ol’ Westword response?
Suggests Josh: Conservatives aren’t smart enough to hack the sign.
Admits Sherrie: This makes me ashamed of Denver and Colorado.
Responds Ashley: I don’t think anyone cares. F@ck ICE!
Counters Lonnie: I see illegals doing my job every day, which decreases my wages and ability to make money and it’s killing me financially. I bet if they were taking the Westword writers’ jobs, those mofos would sing differently. You can’t possibly care about Americans.
https://www.westword.com/news/readers-respond-to-hackers-anti-ice-message-on-denver-road-24929207
I bet if they were taking the Westword writers’ jobs, those mofos would sing differently.
Today’s winner!
Since all Real Journalists channel the same globalist propaganda & DNC talking points, it seems they are ripe for replacement by AI.
I’ve seen articles on my news feed that are so poorly written than an AI could probably do far better.
Recent comment about how when DIA was built that it’s out in the boondocks, taken from the roof near Jackson Gap and 56th Avenue:
https://ibb.co/4Rx9P9SS
Two miles from the terminal? They should be able to hear the jets that land on the north/south runways. They might even fly over the site.
Does anyone actually stay at the Westin? (seen in the picture) Those rooms must have some serious soundproofing.